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GO COWGIRLS

WOW! What a final minute to regulation. Cowgirls down 56-50 with under a minute. Landry takes over and draws a T along the way. Girls tie it up with 2 FT's with 5 seconds left and are going to OT! Go Pokes!
 
It's over. They lost. The sad thing is that Wyoming fans greatly outnumber the other MWC schools' fans at the tournament every year, and neither Wyoming team ever makes it to the championship. The fans deserve better. I guess you could say that about virtually every sport at Wyoming, though.
 
LawPoke said:
It seems like Sam Martin has been at CSU for 20 years.

CSU will be quite good again next year. Will we?
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I thought the Cowgirls would be way better than they were this year. I think this team severely underachieved.
 
SDPokeFan said:
LawPoke said:
It seems like Sam Martin has been at CSU for 20 years.

CSU will be quite good again next year. Will we?
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I thought the Cowgirls would be way better than they were this year. I think this team severely underachieved.
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I see it much the same way. Missing that many free throws and having lapses in games that we shouldn't seemed to plague us all year.

Being a Cowboy/Cowgirl fan is a special kind of torture. Close, but soooooo far at the same time.
 
LawPoke said:
SDPokeFan said:
LawPoke said:
It seems like Sam Martin has been at CSU for 20 years.

CSU will be quite good again next year. Will we?
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I thought the Cowgirls would be way better than they were this year. I think this team severely underachieved.
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I see it much the same way. Missing that many free throws and having lapses in games that we shouldn't seemed to plague us all year.

Being a Cowboy/Cowgirl fan is a special kind of torture. Close, but soooooo far at the same time.
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They were a completely different team on the road, for whatever reason.
 
A lot of negativity for a team that just played a kickass game. And maybe some high expectations for a team that was playing some frosh and Sophs quite a bit. I think this team was right where most should've expected, give or take one or two losses.
 
kansasCowboy said:
A lot of negativity for a team that just played a kickass game. And maybe some high expectations for a team that was playing some frosh and Sophs quite a bit. I think this team was right where most should've expected, give or take one or two losses.
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Would you expect any less from this crowd?
 
So YankPoke and I were talking about Coach Joe.
Why don't people want him fired?
0 MWC regular season titles in 11 years.
0 MWC tourney championships in 11 years.
Now 6-11 in the MWCT.
He has never won 2 games in a single tourney.
Made the Big Dance one time in 11 seasons.
NIT is almost always a lock for the girls, which is good, but often the Girls choke early (like last season)
Oh but we won the WNIT that one year! Well here is a fun fact...if you had a kid born during that WNIT run, that kid is in 1st grade right now...that was SO long ago.
Coach Joe gets a pass for what reason?
What Coach Shyatt has been doing in these 3 years is no different than Coach Joe for the last 11. Roughly 20 wins a year, and make some tourney not called the NCAA Tournement and lose early.
 
BeaverPoke said:
So YankPoke and I were talking about Coach Joe.
Why don't people want him fired?
0 MWC regular season titles in 11 years.
0 MWC tourney championships in 11 years.
Now 6-11 in the MWCT.
He has never won 2 games in a single tourney.
Made the Big Dance one time in 11 seasons.
NIT is almost always a lock for the girls, which is good, but often the Girls choke early (like last season)
Oh but we won the WNIT that one year! Well here is a fun fact...if you had a kid born during that WNIT run, that kid is in 1st grade right now...that was SO long ago.
Coach Joe gets a pass for what reason?
What Coach Shyatt has been doing in these 3 years is no different than Coach Joe for the last 11. Roughly 20 wins a year, and make some tourney not called the NCAA Tournement and lose early.
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I think there are two reasons. One, the girls had zero success before Joe. Really the only success the program has had is under Joe. The Cowboys have past glory years under old coaches people can point to and say, "we want to get back to that." Secondly, people just aren't as passionate about women's basketball.
 
BeaverPoke said:
So YankPoke and I were talking about Coach Joe.
Why don't people want him fired?
0 MWC regular season titles in 11 years.
0 MWC tourney championships in 11 years.
Now 6-11 in the MWCT.
He has never won 2 games in a single tourney.
Made the Big Dance one time in 11 seasons.
NIT is almost always a lock for the girls, which is good, but often the Girls choke early (like last season)
Oh but we won the WNIT that one year! Well here is a fun fact...if you had a kid born during that WNIT run, that kid is in 1st grade right now...that was SO long ago.
Coach Joe gets a pass for what reason?
What Coach Shyatt has been doing in these 3 years is no different than Coach Joe for the last 11. Roughly 20 wins a year, and make some tourney not called the NCAA Tournement and lose early.
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In terms of Shyatt and Legerski, does that mean you think we should fire them both?

Here are their winning percentages during their respective current stints at UW:

Shyatt - 59.5% overall, 39.5% MWC (2 CBI's out of 3 years)

Legerski - 63.0% overall, 60.4% MWC (5 WNIT, 1 NCAA out of 10 seasons, possible WNIT this year)


I think competing against your peers is critical and Legerski has done so far better than Shyatt. Legerski has only one losing record in MWC play (6-8 his first year). Other than that, even his bad years have been as good as Shyatt's best year (this year, .500). Legerski's worst finish in MWC play is 5th..also Shyatt's best.

How about in terms of their relative importance in Wyoming history:

Men's Basketball:

NCAA Tournament Appearances - 14
NCAA Tournament Games - 28
NCAA games coached by Shyatt: 0

Women's Basketball:

NCAA Tournament Appearance - 1 (2, if you count an AIAW appearance in 1979 which is equivalent, Margie was the coach)
NCAA Tournament Games - 1 (or 2, see above)
NCAA games coached by Joe Legerski - 1


A couple of other notes:

1. Joe Legerski is the winningest basketball coach in Wyoming history. Lavin coached for one more year than Legerski (12 to 11) but Joe has him by 41 wins at this point.
2. Prior to Legerski, the Cowgirls had an all-time losing record and only 2 20-win seasons. Legerski has won over 60% of his game and coached the Cowgirls to 7 20-win seasons.
3. Joe Legerski could have easily left UW for a "better" job. He did not do so. I will let you ponder that contrast.



Legerski has had at least 5 seasons better than any of Shyatt's 3 seasons this time around.

Legerski isn't perfect, but in an athletic department rife with failure and mediocrity, he seems a strange target for your (and YankPoke's) ire.
 
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