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Down to 7 undefeated teams

gopokes1399 said:
Arizona is not overrated, have you seen Solomon Hill and Mark Lyons play?? along with their 3 freshman bigs and Chol... they have solid shooters and Nick Johnson is a stud... They beat Florida! and won @ Clemson... they are very young and still beat a very good and experienced Florida team. Wanna know what is scary about them being young? They are only going to get better, and Lyons will only improve at the point with Sean Miller... They have every right to be number 4
This pretty well sums it up.
 
BeaverPoke said:
Syracuse lost to temple. Down to 7 undefeated teams, 2 of which are in the MWC.

ACC: Duke (1)
Big East: Cincinatti (11)
Big 10: Michigan (2) Illinois (10)
PAC12: Arizona (4/5)
MWC: New Mexico (16/17) Wyoming (NR/NR)

Interesting we are the only non ranked team that is undefeated. I think its crazy that Michigan is the #2 team in the country.

I think on that list Arizona is the most overrated. They are full of very young guys. They did just beat Florida. I would love for an Arizona/Wyo match up in the Pit or SLC in the NCAA tourny. Put them at some altitude!
Anywho... I hope we are at least #25 in both polls as of monday!

Arizona is definitely the most overrated team in the top 10 by far, You guys might disagree with him but I watch them on TV and they are not winning big and they haven't faced but 1 team. They should be more like 14-16 imo they don't deserve that top 5 rating not yet.
 
[/quote]I think a good seed and Top 25 are usually synonomous with one another. Although, I guess it depends on how one defines a good seed. I would say a good seed is in the 1-5 or 6 range and usually those are Top 25 teams. I think that being a battle tested team with having that bulls-eye on your back throughout the season would only mean a positive thing come tournament time. Not to mention the positive media coverage that the school would receive from that as well as recruits seeing that number next to the name of the school that is recruiting them along with the fan base. I would imagine that a Top 25 team in Laramie would draw more "fringe" fans in than a team not in the Top 25. What I'm saying is there is nothing bad that can come from being ranked in the Top 25.[/quote]

I agree with this "gbpoke". I think we have to take advantage of the gift that Shyatt and this team have been able to deliver so early in this season. He is in his second year leading this program back and we are already in the discussion of a top 25 rating. If we can get it, take it and reap the benefits! Use the publicity and recognition to continue to build the program with better players.

We may get the ranking and not be able to hold onto it, I'm fine with that. Put WYOMING on the board and let this team fight like hell to keep it there.
 
Wyo2dal said:
BeaverPoke said:
Syracuse lost to temple. Down to 7 undefeated teams, 2 of which are in the MWC.

ACC: Duke (1)
Big East: Cincinatti (11)
Big 10: Michigan (2) Illinois (10)
PAC12: Arizona (4/5)
MWC: New Mexico (16/17) Wyoming (NR/NR)

Interesting we are the only non ranked team that is undefeated. I think its crazy that Michigan is the #2 team in the country.

I think on that list Arizona is the most overrated. They are full of very young guys. They did just beat Florida. I would love for an Arizona/Wyo match up in the Pit or SLC in the NCAA tourny. Put them at some altitude!
Anywho... I hope we are at least #25 in both polls as of monday!

Arizona is definitely the most overrated team in the top 10 by far, You guys might disagree with him but I watch them on TV and they are not winning big and they haven't faced but 1 team. They should be more like 14-16 imo they don't deserve that top 5 rating not yet.

I guess being undefeated, having the preseason pac 12 player of the year, good players and deep at all positions, beating a top 5 team doesn't warrant being in the top 10...
 
gopokes1399 said:
Wyo2dal said:
BeaverPoke said:
Syracuse lost to temple. Down to 7 undefeated teams, 2 of which are in the MWC.

ACC: Duke (1)
Big East: Cincinatti (11)
Big 10: Michigan (2) Illinois (10)
PAC12: Arizona (4/5)
MWC: New Mexico (16/17) Wyoming (NR/NR)

Interesting we are the only non ranked team that is undefeated. I think its crazy that Michigan is the #2 team in the country.

I think on that list Arizona is the most overrated. They are full of very young guys. They did just beat Florida. I would love for an Arizona/Wyo match up in the Pit or SLC in the NCAA tourny. Put them at some altitude!
Anywho... I hope we are at least #25 in both polls as of monday!

Arizona is definitely the most overrated team in the top 10 by far, You guys might disagree with him but I watch them on TV and they are not winning big and they haven't faced but 1 team. They should be more like 14-16 imo they don't deserve that top 5 rating not yet.

I guess being undefeated, having the preseason pac 12 player of the year, good players and deep at all positions, beating a top 5 team doesn't warrant being in the top 10...

So that's all it takes in your mind? 1 Key win over a top 5 team means a team is top 5 caliber?

Let's put this into perspective.

Rank - #4
SoS RPI - 149 Arizona (10-0)
Live RPI - 11 Arizona (11-0)

Key wins #5 FLA

Rank #8
SoS RPI - 29 Florida (8-2)
Live RPI - 22 Florida (8-2)

Key wins #22 WIS, Key losses KSU.

Rank # U/R
SoS RPI - 215 Kansas St (8-2)
Live RPI - 78 Kansas St (8-2)

So yes I do believe they are overrated, They haven't played anyone to earn that ranking. Now Duke on the other hand yes they are not over rated and they deserve that ranking.

Rank #1
SoS RPI - 2 Duke (11-0)
Live RPI - 1 Duke (11-0)

Key wins, #3 UK*, #2 LOU & #4 OSU they deserve that spot.
 
Do I think we can beat SMU? Certainly. But doing so is a different matter. So long as we win, it's a good thing. Whether it'se by 1 or 100, a win is a win.

Oh, also, according to one site posted by someone on the MWC board, Wyoming is slated to finish tied for 1st in the MWC at 23-5, 11-5 in conference, in a 3 way tie.
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BeaverPoke said:
and sdsu is gonna do something this year? hmm.... overrated

SDSU is a good team... everyone on here knows that! Theyre one of the reasons the MWC is so good? they are a tourney team and a team with a good opportunity of making a run.
 
BeaverPoke said:
and sdsu is gonna do something this year? hmm.... overrated

The use of "overrated" in this context is one of my pet peeves and is disrespectful to our Pokes by implication. "Overrated" means that they are not good and, should Wyoming beat SDSU, the win would not be a quality win.

The problem is that Wyoming and the MWC are not sufficiently used to the idea of our own teams being so good that it takes an excellent team to beat our own. The SEC, on the other hand, is used to the idea that really good teams loose games against other really good teams from time to time. SDSU lost by one point to a Top 5 team. In other words. SDSU is basically dead even with Arizona in terms of quality, but the clock has to run out of time at some point. I bet in a ten-game series, each would win five. How would we compare. Would we split the season with SDSU or Arizona? If yes, does that mean they are inferior and overrated because we can play with them? Or does that mean that we are also good? We need some better wins first, but if we want to argue we are among the best, then we have to accept that good teams will loose to us and still be good. despite the loss.

Go Pokes!
 
Keep in mind I was a bit intoxicated and just really do not like sdsu... I don't think they're overrated. I was just bashing them to bash them.
That game last night was crazy good. I thought sdsu was going to win it for sure when tapley broke free for that layup and then that arizona guy swatted that ball out. Crazy finish
 
BeaverPoke said:
Keep in mind I was a bit intoxicated and just really do not like sdsu... I don't think they're overrated. I was just bashing them to bash them.
That game last night was crazy good. I thought sdsu was going to win it for sure when tapley broke free for that layup and then that arizona guy swatted that ball out. Crazy finish

Was a great game I have no but respect for both schools but either Arizona is overrated or SDSU is underrated you pick it, Is SDSU a top 5 team like they played against or is Arizona getting extra special voting love.
 
Arizona played awful they found a way to win... they are undefeated and Solomon Hill is a monster... they haven't lost and now have 2 very good wins, yet they arent a top ten team wyo2dal? come on man
 
gopokes1399 said:
Arizona played awful they found a way to win... they are undefeated and Solomon Hill is a monster... they haven't lost and now have 2 very good wins, yet they arent a top ten team wyo2dal? come on man

Actually I said they weren't a top 5 team you said top 10 there is a difference I suggested 16-11 ranking before the SDSU game and I would put them in the top 10 now but by no means would I put them in the top 5. They beat 2 top 25 teams and no one else.

FYI they had 8 turn overs in that game, SDSU had 15 while they didn't have a great shooting night I would call what they played as average and nowhere near awful. They shot 6% less than SDSU from the floor and 2% more from the land of three.

You want to root them on so be it that is your opinion mine is different.
 

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