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ragtimejoe1

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This will be the next seismic shift that gives the NCAA authority to split football 1 more time. History repeats itself. Previously, it was TV right granted and small schools not keeping up because of bigger TV money (1978-1980) and we split into DI and DIA.

Paying athletes will now make it impossible for small schools to keep pace with 65 "BCS" schools with their TV revenues.

Another NCAA enforced split is coming.
 
So, what would happen if the 5 power conferences decided to threat to leave the NCAA and the rest of the conferences decided to call their bluff and say, "fine, you pull out of the NCAA and we will just play ball without you and never schedule any team that is not in the NCAA"?

They probably would be able to survive but at least they wouldn't be able to say "you need us". First of all there would have to be solidarity. I think the country would then be able to see what these Greedy Bastards have created.

And.......the teams in the NCAA should say, "if your going to leave in football, then leave in basketball too" and block them from participating in March Madness. If the NCAA doesn't go along with it and keeps doing the bidding of the rich and greedy, then start a whole new governing body. It is time for change.

This would take strong leadership but if the smaller conferences have truly had enough, then they should do something about it!!!!!
 
I guess I see things differently.....let them leave. Non-AQ schools won't catch them anyway.....$$$$ is changing the game. Let them leave, we'll establish our own new division and play for a real championship! Not the rare chance to appear in some consolation BCS bowl in this new playoff system. And make no mistake about it, that is the ceiling for all non-AQ schools. We'll never get a shot at that playoff......the pinnacle of a non-AQ schools existence is to play against some Big XII school in the Cotton Bowl. A great opportunity, but IMO....I'd rather have a playoff between all the "outsider" schools than all kill each other just to play in some secondary BCS bowl game to the playoffs.
 
castlerocker said:
So, what would happen if the 5 power conferences decided to threat to leave the NCAA and the rest of the conferences decided to call their bluff and say, "fine, you pull out of the NCAA and we will just play ball without you and never schedule any team that is not in the NCAA"?

They probably would be able to survive but at least they wouldn't be able to say "you need us". First of all there would have to be solidarity. I think the country would then be able to see what these Greedy Bastards have created.

And.......the teams in the NCAA should say, "if your going to leave in football, then leave in basketball too" and block them from participating in March Madness. If the NCAA doesn't go along with it and keeps doing the bidding of the rich and greedy, then start a whole new governing body. It is time for change.

This would take strong leadership but if the smaller conferences have truly had enough, then they should do something about it!!!!!
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The small schools will cave long before that. There is only MAC football because the Michigans and Ohio States are willing to schedule the MAC for big paydays.
 
Many of these bigger Universities are using tax dollars to support grants and research. If they are to continue doing so and then pay their players and break off and form their own league, we might as well start denying them access to that tax money. There is no reason for them to need to spend that much money.

It really is time for some salary and spending caps. Nobody needs gold plated urinals in their locker rooms.
 
I think a definite split is coming as well. If we like it or not, we will never be at the grown ups table in today's current BCS make-up. We are the kids that sit off to the side or in the other room with the card table.

We can still continue to grow $$$ wise but we will be part of a new arms race at the next level down. We will have our own playoff and Champion. In reality we will just be wealthier FCS schools. Which in reality we are. Right now we bust out butts to be MWC champs and if lucky you might get a decent bowl. Other than that you are settling for your cut of the New Mexico Bowl.

I don't think much changes for schools like Wyoming by being in that new division other than getting a chance for a championship now. We don't play by the Big 5 rules now anyway.
 
The biggest problem is the other half of the FBS teams still have alot of value. They may try to ignore us, but sooner or later they will look over and see the millions sitting there. Granted, their millions are bigger than our millions, but the greedy bastards won't let this go very easily. They want our cash. Its ridiculous.
 
If they big schools ever organize properly, they could take their BB Teams, Football teams and all other sports to a new, and just like the NCAA, voluntary organization.

They would change the rules to pay players in certain sports and absolutely BURY the NCAA. Along with many programs that are not in the Big 5 conferences.

They'll be Hell to pay if the NCAA doesn't find a compromise.
 
castlerocker said:
So, what would happen if the 5 power conferences decided to threat to leave the NCAA and the rest of the conferences decided to call their bluff and say, "fine, you pull out of the NCAA and we will just play ball without you and never schedule any team that is not in the NCAA"?

They probably would be able to survive but at least they wouldn't be able to say "you need us". First of all there would have to be solidarity. I think the country would then be able to see what these Greedy Bastards have created.

And.......the teams in the NCAA should say, "if your going to leave in football, then leave in basketball too" and block them from participating in March Madness. If the NCAA doesn't go along with it and keeps doing the bidding of the rich and greedy, then start a whole new governing body. It is time for change.

This would take strong leadership but if the smaller conferences have truly had enough, then they should do something about it!!!!!
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People would get tired of always watching the same teams so fans would become boring and games would be stale. But money would be fine. TBH I would be fine if those 5 power conference left w/e hope the door hits them on the way out. The fact they aren't ok with eliminating everyone from their upper tier bowl games now they want to get all the players.
 
IMO, I think the significant difference now is that they don't have to take their ball and leave. The exact same roadmap that was used before can be used again. Remember in 1978, I think it was UMASS playing in a big bowl against a big dog and then bam, the split into DI and DIA.

They simply made requirements in DI that smaller schools could not achieve so they ended up in DIA. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Create Power5 (or some other name) that requires all schools pay student athletes living stipends of x dollars. The only schools that could afford that are the ones that are getting big TV subsidies.

Make a new division for all of us with separate rules, probably a playoff, and there you go. There is no change to NCAA BBall or anything else. It is done exactly as it was before.

For me, that will be a big disappointment. I like to strive to build a winning program in the MWC with the hope of some day being able to pull off a BSU, Utah, or TCU run at the big boys. I like that we are ranked in the same polls as the big boys and I loved it when the MWC was beating up on the PAC for example. If I try to remember my favorite games, it is always wins against CSU, BYU, most AF games, and every time we beat a big dog. I honestly don't give a damn about beating a directional MI or FL team. Those wins are just part of what I hope is a good season, but those wins never stand out to me.
 
They have to break away because the NCAA is against it so they can't remain in the NCAA and get away with that.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
IMO, I think the significant difference now is that they don't have to take their ball and leave. The exact same roadmap that was used before can be used again. Remember in 1978, I think it was UMASS playing in a big bowl against a big dog and then bam, the split into DI and DIA.

They simply made requirements in DI that smaller schools could not achieve so they ended up in DIA. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Create Power5 (or some other name) that requires all schools pay student athletes living stipends of x dollars. The only schools that could afford that are the ones that are getting big TV subsidies.

Make a new division for all of us with separate rules, probably a playoff, and there you go. There is no change to NCAA BBall or anything else. It is done exactly as it was before.

For me, that will be a big disappointment. I like to strive to build a winning program in the MWC with the hope of some day being able to pull off a BSU, Utah, or TCU run at the big boys. I like that we are ranked in the same polls as the big boys and I loved it when the MWC was beating up on the PAC for example. If I try to remember my favorite games, it is always wins against CSU, BYU, most AF games, and every time we beat a big dog. I honestly don't give a damn about beating a directional MI or FL team. Those wins are just part of what I hope is a good season, but those wins never stand out to me.
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The problem with that for them and the reason at this point Im not too worried about it is: The P5 teams are not in consensus about what they want to do. Not all the schools are in the same situation monetarialy(even with the media contracts) nor do they all want to pay their athletes. Basically any requirements they could come up with that they could get all the P5 teams to agree with would be low enough to let some g5 schools/conferences in. The MWC had already said we would pay stipends when that rule was discussed. I think the major issue is getting away from basketball only schools. I think we will be going along with any division 4 decision they have. Unless they do decide to leave the NCAA which i don't think is very likely.
 
Why don't they just pull out all the stops and actually create an NFL minor league that's subsidized by the universities? That's in effect what this is. You have 65 or so teams that will have players leaving early after 2 or 3 years, and paid a relative pittance to play 12 or 13 games a year. Sounds a lot like the current MLB or NHL minor leagues.

And I think it will kill college football as we know it. Locally, those teams will be a big deal, as long as they're winning. Add money to the game, and suddenly it's not a game anymore, and kids aren't playing for the love of the sport or to get a degree. They're playing to get to the next level, and it will ruin the history and tradition of many of these schools.

All for the want of a few bucks, that will dry up when the fans stop watching. It's already happening to the NBA. They're a big deal in the local town that has a team in the playoffs, but for the rest of season they're playing second fiddle to college ball.

Bad idea, imo, but what do I know??

GO POKES!!
 
Wow ESPN sure paints a different picture than USA Today!
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Wyo2dal said:
They have to break away because the NCAA is against it so they can't remain in the NCAA and get away with that.
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What worries me is that really, only 55 FBS schools will be affected and that they (Power 5) can sway the votes everyone else.

Still, because of Title IX, they would have to pay all athletes. That might prevent the others from throwing in with the Power 5?
 
TSpoke said:
The problem with that for them and the reason at this point Im not too worried about it is: The P5 teams are not in consensus about what they want to do. Not all the schools are in the same situation monetarialy(even with the media contracts) nor do they all want to pay their athletes. Basically any requirements they could come up with that they could get all the P5 teams to agree with would be low enough to let some g5 schools/conferences in. The MWC had already said we would pay stipends when that rule was discussed. I think the major issue is getting away from basketball only schools. I think we will be going along with any division 4 decision they have. Unless they do decide to leave the NCAA which i don't think is very likely.
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Good points. As big a difference as there is between us and most of the Power 5 schools, there is an even bigger difference between a lower end Power 5 school and say Texas. Their proposed system would might lead to 10 major programs and 55 whipping boys.
 
wellpoke said:
Why don't they just pull out all the stops and actually create an NFL minor league that's subsidized by the universities? That's in effect what this is. You have 65 or so teams that will have players leaving early after 2 or 3 years, and paid a relative pittance to play 12 or 13 games a year. Sounds a lot like the current MLB or NHL minor leagues.

And I think it will kill college football as we know it. Locally, those teams will be a big deal, as long as they're winning. Add money to the game, and suddenly it's not a game anymore, and kids aren't playing for the love of the sport or to get a degree. They're playing to get to the next level, and it will ruin the history and tradition of many of these schools.

All for the want of a few bucks, that will dry up when the fans stop watching. It's already happening to the NBA. They're a big deal in the local town that has a team in the playoffs, but for the rest of season they're playing second fiddle to college ball.

Bad idea, imo, but what do I know??

I agree. Also, I think it is already happening to the NFL. The NFL has reached it's zenith. I only base this on is a sports radio show alluding to research done by some outfit that the last three years of high school football participation records shows a slight but steady decline.

It appears that the greedy P5 want a greater share of a declining 'market'.

GO POKES!!
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Fuster said:
I agree. Also, I think it is already happening to the NFL. The NFL has reached it's zenith. I only base this on is a sports radio show alluding to research done by some outfit that the last three years of high school football participation records shows a slight but steady decline.
It appears that the greedy P5 want a greater share of a declining 'market'.
GO POKES!!
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True, and I wonder if they worry about a further decline if they break away entirely.

If I'm a leader in the Gof5, I would consider giving them the leverage they seek. However, I would make them guarantee in writing at minimum to schedule 2 Gof5 teams each year. Once that is in writing, I then form a union of Gof5 teams outlining a set of terms that must be met before agreeing to play a Power 5 team. Home and home and big money each game paid in full by the Power 5 school. Set it at 2 mill/game or something.
 
The power 5 is a prime example of the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, and that is exactly how they want it.
 
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