Beating a dead horse... Get James some damn minutes!

[LanderPoke]

James is literally the only other Poke other than Josh that can get his own shot. He is so damn good and I die a little bit every game he doesn't get at least 20 min. Everyone can see he belongs on the court for the majority of the game but Shyatt. What is going on??

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

The call in show said he missed some defensive assignments that really agitated Shyatt

 

[rich22]

Quit complaining every game about somebody's minutes! Landerpoke you are not as good as Shyatt on deciding who gets minutes. Every game it's either marshall needs more min or James needs more. Just one time try enjoying the coaching that these young kids are getting.
There is more to basketball then creating your own shot. I really like Justin James but if Shyatt thinks he needs to sit then I trust him.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Ummm.... This is a Forum Rich.... The point of a forum is for like minded people to come together and discuss issues of equal concern. If you don't like a certain topic, don't follow it.

 

[Cowboy Junky]

I agree with Rich.

Part of developing an athlete is developing his off court habits, his practice habits, and for Wyoming: his aggressiveness, discipline, and unselfishness.

Fans can't see what's going on in the class room, the locker room, the practice court....

Maybe Marshall isn't playing because Shy is trying to use minutes to motivate him to be better in the classroom, on the practice court, as a teammate.....

Some nights James gives you a huge advantage because he's a 6'7" guard. Some nights, like when you play UNLV, and they have two similar style of players, that match-up isn't a huge advantage. Then maybe the advantage is having a smaller line-up or a more physical line-up.

The one thing I do know: I trust Shy to run the program and to develop the talent. What I don't know, or any other fan for that matter, is any number of things that could be holding a guys minutes down on certain nights.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

I agree with Rich.

Part of developing an athlete is developing his off court habits, his practice habits, and for Wyoming: his aggressiveness, discipline, and unselfishness.

Fans can't see what's going on in the class room, the locker room, the practice court....

Maybe Marshall isn't playing because Shy is trying to use minutes to motivate him to be better in the classroom, on the practice court, as a teammate.....

Some nights James gives you a huge advantage because he's a 6'7" guard. Some nights, like when you play UNLV, and they have two similar style of players, that match-up isn't a huge advantage. Then maybe the advantage is having a smaller line-up or a more physical line-up.

The one thing I do know: I trust Shy to run the program and to develop the talent. What I don't know, or any other fan for that matter, is any number of things that could be holding a guys minutes down on certain nights.

I guess for me, the fan, it would be nice if Shyatt would engage with us. He is so quick to jump fans who have the nerve to criticize him or beat up fans who don't show up to the games yet refused to throw us a bone regarding anything else. It's obvious that the state wants to see Marshall on the floor. Obviously something is preventing that. Throw us a bone Shy. If he's hurt, say it. If he's sucking in school, say it. The best way to get fans off your ass and to quit second guessing you is to talk to us. After the games, at the pressers let us know what's going on. If you're only going to communicate directly fans when you're chiding them, you don't get the benefit of the doubt.

That's my thoughts, I'm sure plenty of you have your own

Edit: I too trust Shyatt. But that doesn't mean I like every single one of his decisions.

 

[Cowboy Junky]

I agree with Rich.

Part of developing an athlete is developing his off court habits, his practice habits, and for Wyoming: his aggressiveness, discipline, and unselfishness.

Fans can't see what's going on in the class room, the locker room, the practice court....

Maybe Marshall isn't playing because Shy is trying to use minutes to motivate him to be better in the classroom, on the practice court, as a teammate.....

Some nights James gives you a huge advantage because he's a 6'7" guard. Some nights, like when you play UNLV, and they have two similar style of players, that match-up isn't a huge advantage. Then maybe the advantage is having a smaller line-up or a more physical line-up.

The one thing I do know: I trust Shy to run the program and to develop the talent. What I don't know, or any other fan for that matter, is any number of things that could be holding a guys minutes down on certain nights.

I guess for me, the fan, it would be nice if Shyatt would engage with us. He is so quick to jump fans who have the nerve to criticize him or beat up fans who don't show up to the games yet refused to throw us a bone regarding anything else. It's obvious that the state wants to see Marshall on the floor. Obviously something is preventing that. Throw us a bone Shy. If he's hurt, say it. If he's sucking in school, say it. The best way to get fans off your ass and to quit second guessing you is to talk to us. After the games, at the pressers let us know what's going on. If you're only going to communicate directly fans when you're chiding them, you don't get the benefit of the doubt.

That's my thoughts, I'm sure plenty of you have your own

Edit: I too trust Shyatt. But that doesn't mean I like every single one of his decisions.

Shy has a responsibility to his players to keep certain things confidential. If I play for him and my grades are bad or I am somewhat selfish, I sure as hell don't want my head coach making that public for all the forum/social media haters to spread rumors about and turn into drama festivals like you guys did with the Derek Cooke/Tre Washington nonsense the last couple of years. That would make me feel like the coach doesn't have my back and I probably wouldn't want to play for him any longer.

Shy has a responsibility to his kids first. That's the most important thing to him. It's why he has the credibility to sell guys that wouldn't normally come to Laramie on the family atmosphere of his program. That doesn't work if Shy is selling them out to the social media critics that will take a small piece of information(they don't even know the whole story about) and turn it into a three year crusade to get rid of a certain player.

You can't have it both ways. You can't ask for Shyatt to be more open with what's going on inside the program and also be the biggest shit slinging drama whore in the history of social media every time you find out something about a player that you don't like.

Sometimes you just have to trust the coach and the players on the team.

Shyatt's job and his reputation is on the line and the majority of Shyatt's success in basketball has come from his ability to foster a family atmosphere, develop players(into good basketball players as well as good human beings), and run a clean program.

He's not going to tell the fan base every time one of his players has a problem in the classroom, the locker room, or off the court. That's not how you build family. It's not how you build a winning program.

 

[denverpoke]

read http://wyomingcowboysblog.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - regarding marshall's playing time....Don't keep complaining about the coach!!!!

 

[Cowboy Junky]

By the way, I'm not implying that any of our players are selfish or are bad students. I'm just saying that none of us knows what Shy knows and since Shy just hung a banner and has a reputation for being one of the best coaches in the game at developing a family program while developing ethics that will benefit our student athletes for the rest of their lives(ADU), then he deserves a little levity when it comes to determining peoples minutes.

That's all I'm saying.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

I agree with Rich.

Part of developing an athlete is developing his off court habits, his practice habits, and for Wyoming: his aggressiveness, discipline, and unselfishness.

Fans can't see what's going on in the class room, the locker room, the practice court....

Maybe Marshall isn't playing because Shy is trying to use minutes to motivate him to be better in the classroom, on the practice court, as a teammate.....

Some nights James gives you a huge advantage because he's a 6'7" guard. Some nights, like when you play UNLV, and they have two similar style of players, that match-up isn't a huge advantage. Then maybe the advantage is having a smaller line-up or a more physical line-up.

The one thing I do know: I trust Shy to run the program and to develop the talent. What I don't know, or any other fan for that matter, is any number of things that could be holding a guys minutes down on certain nights.

I guess for me, the fan, it would be nice if Shyatt would engage with us. He is so quick to jump fans who have the nerve to criticize him or beat up fans who don't show up to the games yet refused to throw us a bone regarding anything else. It's obvious that the state wants to see Marshall on the floor. Obviously something is preventing that. Throw us a bone Shy. If he's hurt, say it. If he's sucking in school, say it. The best way to get fans off your ass and to quit second guessing you is to talk to us. After the games, at the pressers let us know what's going on. If you're only going to communicate directly fans when you're chiding them, you don't get the benefit of the doubt.

That's my thoughts, I'm sure plenty of you have your own

Edit: I too trust Shyatt. But that doesn't mean I like every single one of his decisions.

Shy has a responsibility to his players to keep certain things confidential. If I play for him and my grades are bad or I am somewhat selfish, I sure as hell don't want my head coach making that public for all the forum/social media haters to spread rumors about and turn into drama festivals like you guys did with the Derek Cooke/Tre Washington nonsense the last couple of years. That would make me feel like the coach doesn't have my back and I probably wouldn't want to play for him any longer.

Shy has a responsibility to his kids first. That's the most important thing to him. It's why he has the credibility to sell guys that wouldn't normally come to Laramie on the family atmosphere of his program. That doesn't work if Shy is selling them out to the social media critics that will take a small piece of information(they don't even know the whole story about) and turn it into a three year crusade to get rid of a certain player.

You can't have it both ways. You can't ask for Shyatt to be more open with what's going on inside the program and also be the biggest shit slinging drama whore in the history of social media every time you find out something about a player that you don't like.

Sometimes you just have to trust the coach and the players on the team.

Shyatt's job and his reputation is on the line and the majority of Shyatt's success in basketball has come from his ability to foster a family atmosphere, develop players(into good basketball players as well as good human beings), and run a clean program.

He's not going to tell the fan base every time one of his players has a problem in the classroom, the locker room, or off the court. That's not how you build family. It's not how you build a winning program.

I don't necessarily disagree but you/Shyatt can't have it both ways either.

You can't ask fans to fork over hard earned money, and time and to get invested in the team and then harass them when they are unhappy. If you're unwilling to keep the fans involved, you're going to have to deal with shit.

If Shyatt wants his team closed to the fans and public, then it all needs to be closed. He has shown its closed to the public until he wants to bitch about fans. But heaven forbid fans bitch. Heaven forbid fans want info. Heaven forbid fans don't understand why a player sees no time when they think he should.

As it pertains to players status, you can include fans without diming on th players. But to dodge questions and give vague supposition, it only amplifies the interest and speculation

 

[Cowboy Junky]

I agree with Rich.

Part of developing an athlete is developing his off court habits, his practice habits, and for Wyoming: his aggressiveness, discipline, and unselfishness.

Fans can't see what's going on in the class room, the locker room, the practice court....

Maybe Marshall isn't playing because Shy is trying to use minutes to motivate him to be better in the classroom, on the practice court, as a teammate.....

Some nights James gives you a huge advantage because he's a 6'7" guard. Some nights, like when you play UNLV, and they have two similar style of players, that match-up isn't a huge advantage. Then maybe the advantage is having a smaller line-up or a more physical line-up.

The one thing I do know: I trust Shy to run the program and to develop the talent. What I don't know, or any other fan for that matter, is any number of things that could be holding a guys minutes down on certain nights.

I guess for me, the fan, it would be nice if Shyatt would engage with us. He is so quick to jump fans who have the nerve to criticize him or beat up fans who don't show up to the games yet refused to throw us a bone regarding anything else. It's obvious that the state wants to see Marshall on the floor. Obviously something is preventing that. Throw us a bone Shy. If he's hurt, say it. If he's sucking in school, say it. The best way to get fans off your ass and to quit second guessing you is to talk to us. After the games, at the pressers let us know what's going on. If you're only going to communicate directly fans when you're chiding them, you don't get the benefit of the doubt.

That's my thoughts, I'm sure plenty of you have your own

Edit: I too trust Shyatt. But that doesn't mean I like every single one of his decisions.

Shy has a responsibility to his players to keep certain things confidential. If I play for him and my grades are bad or I am somewhat selfish, I sure as hell don't want my head coach making that public for all the forum/social media haters to spread rumors about and turn into drama festivals like you guys did with the Derek Cooke/Tre Washington nonsense the last couple of years. That would make me feel like the coach doesn't have my back and I probably wouldn't want to play for him any longer.

Shy has a responsibility to his kids first. That's the most important thing to him. It's why he has the credibility to sell guys that wouldn't normally come to Laramie on the family atmosphere of his program. That doesn't work if Shy is selling them out to the social media critics that will take a small piece of information(they don't even know the whole story about) and turn it into a three year crusade to get rid of a certain player.

You can't have it both ways. You can't ask for Shyatt to be more open with what's going on inside the program and also be the biggest shit slinging drama whore in the history of social media every time you find out something about a player that you don't like.

Sometimes you just have to trust the coach and the players on the team.

Shyatt's job and his reputation is on the line and the majority of Shyatt's success in basketball has come from his ability to foster a family atmosphere, develop players(into good basketball players as well as good human beings), and run a clean program.

He's not going to tell the fan base every time one of his players has a problem in the classroom, the locker room, or off the court. That's not how you build family. It's not how you build a winning program.

I don't necessarily disagree but you/Shyatt can't have it both ways either.

You can't ask fans to fork over hard earned money, and time and to get invested in the team and then harass them when they are unhappy. If you're unwilling to keep the fans involved, you're going to have to deal with shit.

If Shyatt wants his team closed to the fans and public, then it all needs to be closed. He has shown its closed to the public until he wants to bitch about fans. But heaven forbid fans bitch. Heaven forbid fans want info. Heaven forbid fans don't understand why a player sees no time when they think he should.

As it pertains to players status, you can include fans without diming on th players. But to dodge questions and give vague supposition, it only amplifies the interest and speculation

How does Shyatt harass the fans? That's idiotic.

He's right. Wyoming fans should be attending more games. I should be. It doesn't bother me to say it. It's true.

Maybe 40 years of coaching has taught him the valuable lesson that there are bad fans in every fan base and you can't please them all. Maybe that's why he focuses on what he can control: his team.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

I agree with Rich.

Part of developing an athlete is developing his off court habits, his practice habits, and for Wyoming: his aggressiveness, discipline, and unselfishness.

Fans can't see what's going on in the class room, the locker room, the practice court....

Maybe Marshall isn't playing because Shy is trying to use minutes to motivate him to be better in the classroom, on the practice court, as a teammate.....

Some nights James gives you a huge advantage because he's a 6'7" guard. Some nights, like when you play UNLV, and they have two similar style of players, that match-up isn't a huge advantage. Then maybe the advantage is having a smaller line-up or a more physical line-up.

The one thing I do know: I trust Shy to run the program and to develop the talent. What I don't know, or any other fan for that matter, is any number of things that could be holding a guys minutes down on certain nights.

I guess for me, the fan, it would be nice if Shyatt would engage with us. He is so quick to jump fans who have the nerve to criticize him or beat up fans who don't show up to the games yet refused to throw us a bone regarding anything else. It's obvious that the state wants to see Marshall on the floor. Obviously something is preventing that. Throw us a bone Shy. If he's hurt, say it. If he's sucking in school, say it. The best way to get fans off your ass and to quit second guessing you is to talk to us. After the games, at the pressers let us know what's going on. If you're only going to communicate directly fans when you're chiding them, you don't get the benefit of the doubt.

That's my thoughts, I'm sure plenty of you have your own

Edit: I too trust Shyatt. But that doesn't mean I like every single one of his decisions.

Shy has a responsibility to his players to keep certain things confidential. If I play for him and my grades are bad or I am somewhat selfish, I sure as hell don't want my head coach making that public for all the forum/social media haters to spread rumors about and turn into drama festivals like you guys did with the Derek Cooke/Tre Washington nonsense the last couple of years. That would make me feel like the coach doesn't have my back and I probably wouldn't want to play for him any longer.

Shy has a responsibility to his kids first. That's the most important thing to him. It's why he has the credibility to sell guys that wouldn't normally come to Laramie on the family atmosphere of his program. That doesn't work if Shy is selling them out to the social media critics that will take a small piece of information(they don't even know the whole story about) and turn it into a three year crusade to get rid of a certain player.

You can't have it both ways. You can't ask for Shyatt to be more open with what's going on inside the program and also be the biggest shit slinging drama whore in the history of social media every time you find out something about a player that you don't like.

Sometimes you just have to trust the coach and the players on the team.

Shyatt's job and his reputation is on the line and the majority of Shyatt's success in basketball has come from his ability to foster a family atmosphere, develop players(into good basketball players as well as good human beings), and run a clean program.

He's not going to tell the fan base every time one of his players has a problem in the classroom, the locker room, or off the court. That's not how you build family. It's not how you build a winning program.

I don't necessarily disagree but you/Shyatt can't have it both ways either.

You can't ask fans to fork over hard earned money, and time and to get invested in the team and then harass them when they are unhappy. If you're unwilling to keep the fans involved, you're going to have to deal with shit.

If Shyatt wants his team closed to the fans and public, then it all needs to be closed. He has shown its closed to the public until he wants to bitch about fans. But heaven forbid fans bitch. Heaven forbid fans want info. Heaven forbid fans don't understand why a player sees no time when they think he should.

As it pertains to players status, you can include fans without diming on th players. But to dodge questions and give vague supposition, it only amplifies the interest and speculation

How does Shyatt harass the fans? That's idiotic.

He's right. Wyoming fans should be attending more games. I should be. It doesn't bother me to say it. It's true.

Maybe 40 years of coaching has taught him the valuable lesson that there are bad fans in every fan base and you can't please them all. Maybe that's why he focuses on what he can control: his team.

It's idiotic? What's idiotic is to tell fans they shouldn't critique him or that he's above reproach. It's idiotic to expect fans to be driving from places like Torrington, Casper, Gillette, etc. in the middle of January in the midst of a winter storm while throwing the 4th youngest team in country out there after suffering set backs against teams that shouldn't be allowed to be in our building. There is a lot of idiocy around this day and age but you're crazy or you think the fans are the idiots here.

And it bothers me to constantly hear how the fans don't support the team. I am a ticket holder and yesterday was th first home game I've missed in over two seasons. It's along line of red cars every game back to Cheyenne yet we constantly get to hear how no one supports the team. Give me a break.

And he controls his team? I remember a number of incidents where his "controlled" team has acted a fool. No fan made DC and Martinez knock out then punt a dudes face. No fan made Washington break into a UW alums home and steal shit. No one made TW3 go on Twitter and attack fans. No one made Nance go on Twitter and attack fans. All that being said, I am not saying the Twitter incidents are COMPLETELY on those members. Social media is a tricky beast. But don't sit here and blow smoke up my ass that Shyatt is walking on water and his team is 100% impervious and it's the fans who cause his issues.

 

[cali2wyo]

We would've lost last night if anybody on this board was in charge of the rotation/minutes allocation. We can have opinions of how things could be done differently, but Shyatt is the best in-game coach in this conference. Last year I, along with others, were annoyed with Bentz getting minutes but he turned out to be a solid role player in the tournament in my opinion. I also hope James gets more minutes and I want to see what Marshall can do, but Shyatt has done enough good in the past few years that I trust his in-game decisions.

 

[Cowboy Junky]

When has Shyatt ever told fans the shouldn't critique him or that he's above reproach? Prove that. Provide a link to that b.s. I don't think the fans are the idiots here. I think one fan is an idiot here. If you haven't figured it out yet, it's not a new theme, I usually think this same fan is an idiot.

Go ahead and prove this crap with something other than your drama whore garbage, because I read every article that comes out about Wyoming basketball and I've yet to see one where Shyatt told fans they shouldn't critique him or that he's above reproach. He defends his team and I'm damn glad he does.

He does control his team. He can't be with them 24 hours a day to hold their hands. Luke Martinez kicked someone in the head and got kicked off the team. He didn't recruit Luke. He inherited him. He took the correct action when Luke f'd up.

Tre Washington didn't break into someones home and steal shit. Before you slander somebody, get your facts straight. That was Shakir Smith and he got kicked off the team.

You drama whores turned social media into an issue. The team was partially responsible. Take a look at their twitter accounts this year and tell me that it hasn't been addressed. Most of the players don't post at all. In fact, Austin Conway deleted his account. That is a result of the coaching staff correcting the situation and controlling the team. Maybe that's why Morris doesn't play. He's about the only person that posts on twitter anymore.

No one said that Shyatt walks on water. I said that you should trust him instead of bitching about minutes when you don't know what's going on inside the program, then lighting up the coaching staff because they don't give you and the rest of your knitting circle information about the players for you to use against them on social media(like you and the rest of the drama queens have been doing for four years now), and then falsely accusing the staff of lambasting the fan base, when all they've ever done is defend their team from the internet douchebags and tell the fans that it wouldn't hurt the team if they attended more games.

You're the problem. You're a sideline coach that somehow thinks that your contribution to Cowboy Joe makes you entitled to know everything about the players so you can post it on every social media outlet on earth to impress your drama whore friends. You think you should be able to dictate who plays, without knowing why they aren't playing.

Sorry, but I'll never believe that Larry Shyatt knows less about running a college basketball program then you do and it doesn't matter how much you bitch about it. That's not going to change.

 

[Coeur d' Alene]

read http://wyomingcowboysblog.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - regarding marshall's playing time....Don't keep complaining about the coach!!!!

Wow. He's saying that Marshall isn't as good as trey Washington or Lieberman. Scary. Too bad for him, I'd assume they won't renew his scholarship. There's only so many 3rd/4th string types you can keep on scholorship. Conway better be head and shoulders above these three or there's going to be a pretty big problem at guard moving forward. J Mac next years starting pg?

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

When has Shyatt ever told fans the shouldn't critique him or that he's above reproach? Prove that. Provide a link to that b.s. I don't think the fans are the idiots here. I think one fan is an idiot here. If you haven't figured it out yet, it's not a new theme, I usually think this same fan is an idiot.

Go ahead and prove this crap with something other than your drama whore garbage, because I read every article that comes out about Wyoming basketball and I've yet to see one where Shyatt told fans they shouldn't critique him or that he's above reproach. He defends his team and I'm damn glad he does.

He does control his team. He can't be with them 24 hours a day to hold their hands. Luke Martinez kicked someone in the head and got kicked off the team. He didn't recruit Luke. He inherited him. He took the correct action when Luke f'd up.

Tre Washington didn't break into someones home and steal shit. Before you slander somebody, get your facts straight. That was Shakir Smith and he got kicked off the team.

You drama whores turned social media into an issue. The team was partially responsible. Take a look at their twitter accounts this year and tell me that it hasn't been addressed. Most of the players don't post at all. In fact, Austin Conway deleted his account. That is a result of the coaching staff correcting the situation and controlling the team. Maybe that's why Morris doesn't play. He's about the only person that posts on twitter anymore.

No one said that Shyatt walks on water. I said that you should trust him instead of bitching about minutes when you don't know what's going on inside the program, then lighting up the coaching staff because they don't give you and the rest of your knitting circle information about the players for you to use against them on social media(like you and the rest of the drama queens have been doing for four years now), and then falsely accusing the staff of lambasting the fan base, when all they've ever done is defend their team from the internet douchebags and tell the fans that it wouldn't hurt the team if they attended more games.

You're the problem. You're a sideline coach that somehow thinks that your contribution to Cowboy Joe makes you entitled to know everything about the players so you can post in on every social media outlet on earth to impress your drama whore friends. You think you should be able to dictate who plays, without knowing why they aren't playing.

Sorry, but I'll never believe that Larry Shyatt knows less about running a college basketball program then you do and it doesn't matter how much you bitch about it. That's not going to change.

LEONARD Washington did.

I don't have links or written proof. But last season aim the midst of that Mono debacle, Shyatt went on a mini tirade after a game with Dave and Kevin getting fired up that press and fans had been riding him and the players.

Look I am not trying to fight with you or anyone. My closing statement would be that I love this team. I really like Shyatt. I love supporting and watching this team. What I don't love is seeing some of the tough times this team (as well as all of shyatts teams) has had and being told that it's actually great and any other thought is heresy.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

read http://wyomingcowboysblog.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - regarding marshall's playing time....Don't keep complaining about the coach!!!!

I hadn't seen this. This is what I'm talking about. Things like this go a long way to help fans. Thanks god he finally addressed it with Gags. I know Holmgren has asked him to no avail. Glad something finally was said

 

[LawPoke]

I will trust Shy...but really like the upside with James and Naughton. Yesterday's game feels like Naughton's emergence as the guy down low. It will hopefully motivate him knowing how the staff and his team respond.

I love watching a big man go up forcefully, get raked across the arms and have the strength and focus to finish at the rim.

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

Well I want James and Naughton in more just like many others on this board but I feel like we've seen how Shy operates. He gives his vets PT. He's stuck by Liebs, Trey, and JB all year really. It seems to be paying off too as we did see all 3 of those guys play even better yesterday. It sure does feel like the longer the guys are in his system the more solid minutes they'll get. It's an annoying attribute sometimes to us but as a player on the team it's pretty awesome. I do think its nice to reward guys that've stuck with the system especially when they are steady. Maybe he needs the freshmen to keep digging with extra motivation too and he's using his PT right on the money.
What more can we say other then we just spanked AF and toppled UNLV at home? Things are fucking GRRRRREEEEAAAAAATTTTTT right now!!!!!!!

 

[Adv8RU12]

Getting into the fray, my selection of the three least contributing players (who have substantial minutes)

Barnes
Lieberman
Dalton