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as long as the Hathaway exists...
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fromolwyoming
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Scholarship awarded to in-state students, to put it simply.Wyokie said:
Sadly, I don't think the Hathaway existed when I was at UW... as I remember.. still paying on my damn UW loans..
gopokes1399
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If I am not mistaken it is a pretty big scholarship, if a player is good enough in the state of Wyoming i dont see any reason why UW wouldnt offer
zappinpoke
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http://www.uwyo.edu/admissions/scholarships/hathaway/ some info here
BackHarlowRoad
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Aaron said:
This.
Watching high school sports in Wyoming is not a comparison to other places. Sure, we can produce the occasional stud but let's not lie to ourselves here.
If I'm reading this right, you only get $3,200 a year if you're a top high school student, and less if your grades aren't real good. Unless you live in Laramie and commute this covers a very small part of the overall cost to attend the University of Wyoming. If I'm a decent Wyoming athlete and I have to pay all but $3,200, I'll start looking elsewhere for better weather, playing posibility, etc. If Wyo coaches think they have the luxury of in-state players just showing up, they're wrong. I think they believe the talent just isn't here.zappinpoke said:
There could be more talent in Wyoming, the high schools and WHSAA or whatever it is would just have to put some more focus on it than they do now. Adding 4 more games a year would give student athletes another two seasons worth of playing time by the time they graduate HS.
laxwyo
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$3200 covers tuition right? probably. I had the Honors scholarhsip (i think that is what it's called). It was given to the top 10% of a class if they went to wyoming. covered tuition. I think the hathaway just allows money to be available to all decent students who want to attend wyoming with a sliding type scale. If you can get school completely covered, why not play somewhere else. but if you really think you're D-1 and you don't get a D-1 scholly, Hathaway would be a good way to walk on and not pay for everything. Then when you prove yourself, then it pays off.
calpoke25 said:
This horse is not dead or beaten because, depending on the identity of the head coach, it is one of the glaring holes in our two high profile men's sports programs.
A full ride scholarship offer is also a signal to a player of how serious the interest-level of a coaching staff is about that player. For example, do you really think Doc River's (Duke's Austin Rivers) son would have gone to play for a program that did not offer him a scholarship? Surely the Boston Celtics pay Doc Rivers enough for his work as their Head Coach so that college money is not a major problem for the family?
The sports scholarship offer is the way a coaching staff "shows the love" to a prospect.
Someone that understands university accounting please help here, but do scholarships to in-state players cost less against the Athletic Department's budget than scholarships to out-of-state students at Wyoming?
Look, mining for talent is one of the most difficult responsibilities of any executive position. Wyoming Athletics are in a worse post position at the sound of the recruiting starting gun than most other schools in that we have just as many positions to fill and only a fraction of the potential talent pool that schools in the SEC, Big-10, Big-12, PAC-12, and even most of the MAC and WAC schools have to draw from. Our low population density around Laramie doesn't somehow distill and concentrate the talent and the D1- level talent is not fundamentally proportional to population.
To make it simple- if a city of one million can be expected to produce twenty D1 football and basketball players, then a state of half a million can be expected to produce half that, right? I'd argue no, they can be expected to produce less than half because the level of competition among skilled players is diluted by the geography. A player who might be a Rivals four-star DB coming out of Houston, same exact kid will be a two- or three-star at best coming out of a 5A Wyoming school, because his competitive peers are spread throughout the state and he may not even encounter someone of his abilities. This can result in an arrested development of those skills.
As a long time skier, when I was young, I always skied with people who were much, much better than myself. As an adult, I've surpassed many of the ski companions of my youth, but had I not challenged myself by trying to keep up with them, I'd've likely never even achieved their level of proficiency, let alone progressed beyond it.
Fact is, Wyoming lacks that concentration of both talent and competition that might otherwise produce basketball and football talent in numbers that would seem more proportional to the state's population. As someone who has had to mine for talent, I can honestly say that the old saying, "You fish where the fish are," pretty much applies to a program like Wyoming Athletics.
In short, if the policy of Hathaway = No Athletic Scholarships to Wyoming student athletes exists, I'd call it sound policy in need of a bit of tweeking.
To make it simple- if a city of one million can be expected to produce twenty D1 football and basketball players, then a state of half a million can be expected to produce half that, right? I'd argue no, they can be expected to produce less than half because the level of competition among skilled players is diluted by the geography. A player who might be a Rivals four-star DB coming out of Houston, same exact kid will be a two- or three-star at best coming out of a 5A Wyoming school, because his competitive peers are spread throughout the state and he may not even encounter someone of his abilities. This can result in an arrested development of those skills.
As a long time skier, when I was young, I always skied with people who were much, much better than myself. As an adult, I've surpassed many of the ski companions of my youth, but had I not challenged myself by trying to keep up with them, I'd've likely never even achieved their level of proficiency, let alone progressed beyond it.
Fact is, Wyoming lacks that concentration of both talent and competition that might otherwise produce basketball and football talent in numbers that would seem more proportional to the state's population. As someone who has had to mine for talent, I can honestly say that the old saying, "You fish where the fish are," pretty much applies to a program like Wyoming Athletics.
In short, if the policy of Hathaway = No Athletic Scholarships to Wyoming student athletes exists, I'd call it sound policy in need of a bit of tweeking.
