AF game

[calpoke25]

It just boggles my mind to think that Jack Bentz got to play critical minutes on a MW championship team and Marshall, who in the limited action and warm ups I have seen is 10x the basketball player/athlete, isn't allowed to sniff the floor on a 4-7 team. Boggles my mind and I'm not sure I'll ever understand it. I fully get the "not playing guys who don't understand defense" thing on a team that has high expectations and a small margin for error like last year, but this year?

Being a better athlete means nothing if you don't do what you're supposed to do with that athleticism.

You also have to look at lineups. We may not understand it, but it's obvious Shyatt sees Adams as a SG and not a PG. That means he needs to play next to a PG. People have questioned why Lieberman and Washington play but Marshall doesn't, it's because they are PGs and he isn't. Bentz played backup minutes last year because he was the PG Shyatt and the coaches trusted behind Grabau.

I was waiting for monkeyboy to come in and defend shit he has no clue about. In modern basketball there really aren't defined PG, SG, SF, PF, C designations that you're talking about. Adams brings the ball up 90% of the time when he is in and is the one who initiates the offense, even when Lieberman and or Washington are in the game, by old school definition that would be a PG, but PG/SG designation has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

 

[TSpoke]

It just boggles my mind to think that Jack Bentz got to play critical minutes on a MW championship team and Marshall, who in the limited action and warm ups I have seen is 10x the basketball player/athlete, isn't allowed to sniff the floor on a 4-7 team. Boggles my mind and I'm not sure I'll ever understand it. I fully get the "not playing guys who don't understand defense" thing on a team that has high expectations and a small margin for error like last year, but this year?

Being a better athlete means nothing if you don't do what you're supposed to do with that athleticism.

You also have to look at lineups. We may not understand it, but it's obvious Shyatt sees Adams as a SG and not a PG. That means he needs to play next to a PG. People have questioned why Lieberman and Washington play but Marshall doesn't, it's because they are PGs and he isn't. Bentz played backup minutes last year because he was the PG Shyatt and the coaches trusted behind Grabau.

I was waiting for monkeyboy to come in and defend shit he has no clue about. In modern basketball there really aren't defined PG, SG, SF, PF, C designations that you're talking about. Adams brings the ball up 90% of the time when he is in and is the one who initiates the offense, even when Lieberman and or Washington are in the game, by old school definition that would be a PG, but PG/SG designation has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

But SHyatt always has 2 ball handlers sg/pg in the game at a time. that's his system. and James or Marshall are not sg/pg they are not ball handlers so VanKlomp's point still stands.

 

[johnywyo]

I question a couple things, 1st- Why didn't we go to a zone with Naughton, Herndon/Dalton, Barnes when we started getting sliced and diced on that cutter across the lane?

2nd- Lieberman and Washington: take the damn shot when you have it, we once again had a stretch of nearly 7 minutes without a point in the 2nd half.

3rd- Josh cost us a couple key plays with untimely TO's near the end of the 1st period. Our offensive strategy was effective when we were moving the ball, AF stuck that small guard on Adams and he was in Josh's jock strap for the majority of the 2nd half and did an outstanding job shutting him down. Get Josh down low, and deal on that twerp.

I was not impressed at all with Shyatt's strategy in this game. We were 14 up, like many games before big leads seem to be to our detriment. Use the bench, use your players and as has been discussed stop the scoring drought before we lose our confidence and lose the game.

 

[DVDA]

It just boggles my mind to think that Jack Bentz got to play critical minutes on a MW championship team and Marshall, who in the limited action and warm ups I have seen is 10x the basketball player/athlete, isn't allowed to sniff the floor on a 4-7 team. Boggles my mind and I'm not sure I'll ever understand it. I fully get the "not playing guys who don't understand defense" thing on a team that has high expectations and a small margin for error like last year, but this year?

Being a better athlete means nothing if you don't do what you're supposed to do with that athleticism.

You also have to look at lineups. We may not understand it, but it's obvious Shyatt sees Adams as a SG and not a PG. That means he needs to play next to a PG. People have questioned why Lieberman and Washington play but Marshall doesn't, it's because they are PGs and he isn't. Bentz played backup minutes last year because he was the PG Shyatt and the coaches trusted behind Grabau.

I was waiting for monkeyboy to come in and defend shit he has no clue about. In modern basketball there really aren't defined PG, SG, SF, PF, C designations that you're talking about. Adams brings the ball up 90% of the time when he is in and is the one who initiates the offense, even when Lieberman and or Washington are in the game, by old school definition that would be a PG, but PG/SG designation has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

But SHyatt always has 2 ball handlers sg/pg in the game at a time. that's his system. and James or Marshall are not sg/pg they are not ball handlers so VanKlomp's point still stands.

Watch the CSU highlights if you think he always has 2 "ball handlers" in the game. Shyatt went with Adams, James, and McManamen for the majority of the second half.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmYHYsMGjxM[/youtube]

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

I got caught up in a lot of city action then I find out we lose to AF. :brick: :brick:
I hate losing to AF. Did we really get out rebounded by them??? Damn. I was just getting ready to prep my 2016 greenie killers thread too.....well there's always next year :thumb:
Sounds like this game was a debacle. I'm never gonna be surprised by losses any more this year though. If we go cold at any moment it can all go south on us in a hurry. Still have that kind of team that can beat anyone (except maybe SDSU???) and lose to everyone as well. Our form lately though hasn't been the best which is a little troubling, I wish we could figure out how to pour it on some teams a couple games.

 

[Adv8RU12]

Another observation: Herndon cannot field a low pass. If it isn't waist or arms length high, he doesn't handle it.

 

[CowboyNV]

I got caught up in a lot of city action then I find out we lose to AF. :brick: :brick:
I hate losing to AF. Did we really get out rebounded by them??? Damn. I was just getting ready to prep my 2016 greenie killers thread too.....well there's always next year :thumb:
Sounds like this game was a debacle. I'm never gonna be surprised by losses any more this year though. If we go cold at any moment it can all go south on us in a hurry. Still have that kind of team that can beat anyone (except maybe SDSU???) and lose to everyone as well. Our form lately though hasn't been the best which is a little troubling, I wish we could figure out how to pour it on some teams a couple games.

+1

I think one of the most difficult things to develop in a team is that killer instinct, to not only build a lead, but put the pedal to the metal and keep building it until you destroy the other team's will. This team isn't good enough yet to build a double digit lead and then try to coast to the finish. They need to play like they are behind by 4 with less than a minute to go the WHOLE game - play with a real sense of urgency for the entire 40 minutes. If they can develop that mentality, then watch out.

 

[LanderPoke]

I just hate living and dying by the three.

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

I just hate living and dying by the three.

Pretty much our DNA this year. I agree. I'd prefer if we'd have a little more drive and kick to open 3's style or some sort of paint game to open up our 3's. Seems like the key to success to me. We need to at least establish some points within the line to open up the 3 point flood. Our resources don't lend well to that however. James can do it, Adams can too, McMan a little, and who after that?? Herndon can work around in there but he often floats out deep, which is ok when timed. We need to really be better at juggling this stuff and I'm not saying that's easy for our personnel either.

 

[TSpoke]

I just hate living and dying by the three.

Pretty much our DNA this year. I agree. I'd prefer if we'd have a little more drive and kick to open 3's style or some sort of paint game to open up our 3's. Seems like the key to success to me. We need to at least establish some points within the line to open up the 3 point flood. Our resources don't lend well to that however. James can do it, Adams can too, McMan a little, and who after that?? Herndon can work around in there but he often floats out deep, which is ok when timed. We need to really be better at juggling this stuff and I'm not saying that's easy for our personnel either.

Washington can drive and make things happen. I've been saying all year good things happen when he takes the ball to the rim and he needs to be more aggressive. I think it will come for him though.

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

I just hate living and dying by the three.

Pretty much our DNA this year. I agree. I'd prefer if we'd have a little more drive and kick to open 3's style or some sort of paint game to open up our 3's. Seems like the key to success to me. We need to at least establish some points within the line to open up the 3 point flood. Our resources don't lend well to that however. James can do it, Adams can too, McMan a little, and who after that?? Herndon can work around in there but he often floats out deep, which is ok when timed. We need to really be better at juggling this stuff and I'm not saying that's easy for our personnel either.

Washington can drive and make things happen. I've been saying all year good things happen when he takes the ball to the rim and he needs to be more aggressive. I think it will come for him though.

Sorry I forgot about him. Yes I do agree with you about TW3. He needs to ramp up the aggression as well, particularly since he isn't our most lethal 3 point threat. If he also adds to the attack good things tend to happen, and we usually win games were he has some successful takes to the rack if I recall correctly.

The whole thing with this a juggling act is it has to be a timing thing. It's all about well timed aggression, picking those spots, and forcing it onto the opposition. It's not much fun to be down 10 points with a team continually bringing the thunder into the paint forcing you into bad situations. Making you have to collapse and then you spike n pepper em with dagger 3's!