2012-2013 Basketball Season

[Wyo2dal]

So here we are about to embark on the new season Exhibition games start Oct 31st not to far off at all. So what happens if the same thing that happened in Football happens in Basketball this season?

What if we go from 21-12 (6-8) last year to 12-21 (1-13) this year? I'm not saying we will but who possibly thought our Football team would be 1-* at this time of the season? No one thought he would be this bad off, Sure people commented on the D coordinator and not thinking he was a good fit or would do a good job but did anyone think we would be 1-* probably not.

So what happens if Basketball falls under the same? Does everyone flip out and say Shyatt needs to be fired do we give him a year to correct it? What are your expectations for this season? What are the high and low expectations?

To be honest I think losing the seniors we lost will have a big impact and hurt more than people are realizing or willing to admit. I've seen people say Waddell is an easy replacement and that is just an embarrassing statement for anyone that says it. Sure you might find someone to have more PPG production but finding someone that is willing to take so many charges and has a knack for being able to draw charges we won't find anyone that does that for the team like Waddell did.

Personally I don't believe we are much better than last year, In fact I would go as far to say being 7-7 in MWC games would be an improvement sure but I'm not expecting much more. As far as OOC games I'd like to think we can handle the same type of record as last season with such a weak SOS.

 

[Bryoming]

I don't think that anyone has delusions of a conference championship in basketball this season. I'll admit, I'm excited to see the hoops team this year, but I'll be stunned if we get to a legitimate postseason tournament. (NIT or NCAA)

 

[WyoAlum1987]

Shyatt needs to be given four years before we judge him, good or bad. This mess is the AD's fault...but you've heard me say it before....lol

 

[Bryoming]

Shyatt needs to be given four years before we judge him, good or bad. This mess is the AD's fault...but you've heard me say it before....lol

In every friggin' post. We get it. :roll:

 

[TheRealUW]

I think the basketball team takes a moderate step backwards this year. This team has one player that would even have a chance of seeing significant minutes on a MWC title contender like UNLV, New Mexico, etc...and that player is Leonard Washington. I'm hoping to see a major improvement from Larry Nance Jr. but even if he does improve dramatically, he isn't even in the discussion for top 10 players in the conference.

We will continue to be offensively challenged and our defense and rebounding are likely to be worse than last year. We may be able to compile a similar record in out of conference play due to the weak schedule, but getting anywhere near .500 in conference play would be an overachievment in my opinion. Last year we were able to compete and hang with the big boys in the conference because of our defense, but I don't see that happening this year.

As much as I love Shyatt as an X's and O's coach, I'm equally concerned about his ability to recruit talent to Laramie. To his credit, he has brought in high character guys for the most part, but that doesn't always translate into many wins...especially at a program that isn't a national powerhouse.

 

[wyo 1]

IMO, if we get to 7-7 in conference play, that would be a major improvement over last year. I agree with Wyo2dal on every thing he said about Waddell. This year I think we will have more depth than last year and for that I think our defense will be better with players being able to catch a breather more this year.

My concern is where do we get points from? Martinez and Washington will get theirs, but who steps up and becomes a reliable scoring threat? Nance? Adams? Gilmore? who knows.

 

[Bryoming]

As much as I love Shyatt as an X's and O's coach, I'm equally concerned about his ability to recruit talent to Laramie. To his credit, he has brought in high character guys for the most part, but that doesn't always translate into many wins...especially at a program that isn't a national powerhouse.

He brought in some pretty great players the one year he was here. Josh Davis, Chris McMillan, Brett McFall, and Ugo Udezue were all Shyatt recruits.

 

[J-Rod]

Wait and see approach for me.....there is zero connection between football and basketball. Just because CDC has a trend of winning season/losing season/winning season/losing season doesn't mean the same will happen to UW basketball.

 

[Wyokie]

Wait and see approach for me.....there is zero connection between football and basketball. Just because CDC has a trend of winning season/losing season/winning season/losing season doesn't mean the same will happen to UW basketball.

I hope you're right. I hate the up/down type crap that is the football team. CDC needs to be canned and sent off to Siberia.

 

[BeaverPoke]

I think we hit 25 wins. Now everyone call me dumb and say I'm wearing brown and gold goggles just because I think we improve.

Our D will be just as good as last years. If not better. It wasn't a fluke that shyatt made our D so good in year one.
Think about every game last season besides the final game @WSU where the team played without heart.
Name 1 game that the other team played THEIR game. We never once adjusted and played NM or SDSU style of b-ball. They always played WYO basketball.

And Nance came off the bench and grabbed rebounds and scored. He will be able to score quite nicely this year, plus on top of that the kis has grown a lot.
Leonard will go off all year, and Luke Martinez remember has only played 1 year of d1 ball. He will be very good this year.
And again, just because Wadell was from Wyoming doesn't mean he was a UW legend. If he was from colorado no one on here would be saying that he is gonna be hard to replace.
Did you guys know the Luke Martinez out rebounded Wadell last year?
Nance off the bench out rebounded him too.
Wadell was a solid player when he played good. But when he didn't play good, he sucked. He was so inconsistent.

The charges thing though, you are right. He had a way of doing that shit a lot, that will suck not having, but at the same time we don't need as many as we will score a lot more points this season.

If we replicate what we did last year we hit 21 wins. I predicted 25. We need 4 more.
This year I think we do NOT drop the games like at TCU at CSU or home against AFA.
We BLEW those games. They didn't beat us, we beat ourselves. okay so we don't play TCU this year but we do play Fresno and they were garbage last year.
We took SDSU to OT in San Diego. And we played NM in the pit TOUGH, 38-48
We win a couple of those games this year. We improve from 1-5 against the big3, to 3-3, plus not dropping those games against the teams we BLEW it to, and we are sitting at 26 wins. And I think this year we make a little run in the MWC tourney, even one game

You guys expect us to have some down year and I do not see why at all. Losing Paco is going to be our biggest loss HANDS down.
And you don't need to tell me that JD was D player of the year, yes I remember, but hell if we get a PG who averages 8 points then we come out on top of the +/- from the PG position.

Count it now, we hit 25 wins and finish top4 in conference if not top3

 

[Wyo2dal]

Paco, Waddell and Luster will all be losses hands down and they will be just as big of a loss as the other. I don't agree that a PG averaging 8 PPG is a gain since after all Luster had one of the best TO margins in the nation and that alone is worth more than 8 PPG imo. Luster averaged 5.3 PPG I don't see 5.3 to 8 being some great pickup. Would have to be 12-15 PPG to be something to call home about.

25 Wins with our schedule I can agree with that shouldn't be too hard but I do't think we do much different in the MWC.

 

[NowherePoke]

I don't think that anyone has delusions of a conference championship in basketball this season. I'll admit, I'm excited to see the hoops team this year, but I'll be stunned if we get to a legitimate postseason tournament. (NIT or NCAA)

I agree. I think CBI/CIT is the most we can reasonably expect to see this year. Anything above that would be gravy.

 

[NowherePoke]

As much as I love Shyatt as an X's and O's coach, I'm equally concerned about his ability to recruit talent to Laramie. To his credit, he has brought in high character guys for the most part, but that doesn't always translate into many wins...especially at a program that isn't a national powerhouse.

He brought in some pretty great players the one year he was here. Josh Davis, Chris McMillan, Brett McFall, and Ugo Udezue were all Shyatt recruits.

That was 15 years ago. Not much relevance to now.

I am a big Shyatt fan, but it has been tough sledding for him and his staff on the recruiting trail thus far in his second go around.

I am confident in this staff's ability to put the team in a position to succeed with preparation and attention to detail, but sometimes it simply comes down to having the best players.

Steve Fisher once went 0-14 in MWC play at SDSU. He also won 30 games and made the Sweet 16. This is at the same University, in the same city. Even the same arena, and even some of the same coaching staff. What changed? The talent on the floor. It didn't happen overnight for Fisher obviously and this isn't an overnight job for Shyatt either. We will have to be patient.

 

[seattlecowboy]

One thing I will say about Shyatt though that I enjoy is he never ever makes any EXCUSES for anything and he does the best he can with what he has and coaches the kids up and makes them believe. You know you will always see the team play hard and you will always see them play defense. With defense they will always have a chance to win.

I also doubt we see Shyatt on a youtube video yelling at the Air Force coach on the court for having one of his players fake a cramp. :lol:

 

[BeaverPoke]

Paco, Waddell and Luster will all be losses hands down and they will be just as big of a loss as the other. I don't agree that a PG averaging 8 PPG is a gain since after all Luster had one of the best TO margins in the nation and that alone is worth more than 8 PPG imo. Luster averaged 5.3 PPG I don't see 5.3 to 8 being some great pickup. Would have to be 12-15 PPG to be something to call home about.

25 Wins with our schedule I can agree with that shouldn't be too hard but I do't think we do much different in the MWC.

Good point about the 5 points a game. I think between Gilmore and Adams they could together hit 12-15
And I don't get the love affair with wadell... Look I love the dude BECAUSE he was from Wyo.
Like I said earlier, if he was from any other state, people wouldn't be thinking that losing him is going to be such a big deal.
all around our team is going to score a lot more this season. And our D is still going to be very good. 95% of the games we play will be WYO ball, not adjusting to some other teams style.
Having a center who isn't slow like wadell and a pg that can score will be huge improvements.
Losing Paco is going to be our biggest loss. No way that all 3 players have the same impact.

 

[Wyo2dal]

He played with heart every game and he never refused to take a charge he would draw more fouls than most ever think about drawing. IMO Luster and Waddell were the heart for this team last year neither of them had to stay and play another year.

I think they all have the same impact in their own way, Points yes Paco will be the biggest loss I don't dispute that at all. Defensive Luster will be a huge loss don't care what anyone says if someone steps up and proves me wrong so be it I won't be upset that someone is stepping up. Waddell imo was under estimated by a lot of fans but that is fine we'll see how it all comes out when the new season starts.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Gilmore will not be exactly what JD was, but Shyatt is his coach, he has some experience, and as a sr knows what he needs to do.
Heart will come from Leonard, and Nance primarily. Nance loves to be a cowboy. He has already provided a lot of heart.

And not to rag on Wadell but when the freakin SG 6 inches shorter than you is out rebounding you...you've got a problem.
I believe that very quick into the season we will realize we are better off without him than most people are thinking.

Not saying he was a liability by ANY means, but we will find out that we have better players now.
I get it Wadell was a fan favorite, and people think he provided heart and all that... but that stuff can be replaced...It's not like he will be the only cowboy from these two years teams to play with heart.

 

[laxwyo]

He played with heart every game and he never refused to take a charge he would draw more fouls than most ever think about drawing. IMO Luster and Waddell were the heart for this team last year neither of them had to stay and play another year.

I think they all have the same impact in their own way, Points yes Paco will be the biggest loss I don't dispute that at all. Defensive Luster will be a huge loss don't care what anyone says if someone steps up and proves me wrong so be it I won't be upset that someone is stepping up. Waddell imo was under estimated by a lot of fans but that is fine we'll see how it all comes out when the new season starts.

Right on! Luster was big on D but Paco was a liability. Luster made a big stride with coach Shy coaching him for a year. Coach Shy will get the best out of the players because I believe they love him. We will win as many games as our players fullest potential will allow.