Vigen
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:40 pm
Heard a rumor from the Gem City. Bohl retires and we’re going after Vigen. Unsubstantiated, but from valid source in Laramie…
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Re: Vigen
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:53 pm
Smh
Re: Vigen
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2022 2:16 pm
I think that is the long term plan. That Vigen is brought back after Bohl retires... but I wouldn't expect that happening for another year or two.
Re: Vigen
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:44 pm
Because FCS hires have worked so well? JFC, hire an FBS head coach with a competitive track record on an upward trajectory.
Re: Vigen
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2022 4:20 pm
My sense is that a upwardly mobile FBS coach with a good track record will be tough to land....I don't disagree that it wouldn't be better than an FCS guy.... Just would imagine that guy having better options. Anyways... It's all academic point since Bohl will be here until he doesn't want to at this point.
Re: Vigen
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2022 4:21 pm
Re: Vigen
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2022 4:58 pm
Yep, don’t see a guy coming to WY if he can got to Colorado, or otherwise. I actually don’t think it’s FBS FCS. X’s and O’s are just that, it’s getting the right kids. I am pretty certain FBS FCS has nothing to do with Bohl running the offense we see. IMHO….. I might be ok with Vigen…..307bball wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 4:20 pmMy sense is that a upwardly mobile FBS coach with a good track record will be tough to land....I don't disagree that it wouldn't be better than an FCS guy.... Just would imagine that guy having better options. Anyways... It's all academic point since Bohl will be here until he doesn't want to at this point.
Re: Vigen
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:21 pm
Jerry Kill was a once a million hire for NMSU. He didn't even sign a contract and is only working under agreement with them. Had he not had health issues he would still be leading a P5 program.
Re: Vigen
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:50 pm
Vigen has shown the willingness and ability to hire an OC who runs a modern offense...and more importantly, let him do his own thing. He's also shown that he can be handed the reigns to a program in decent shape and build upon it. I honestly don't really want to bring him back if we have other options, but it wouldn't necessarily be a terrible hire provided he's not calling plays and he's not coaching the QBs.
I'd much rather offer Jay Hill, Marcus Arroyo, or Scottie Hazelton a boatload of money and see what happens. But I've slowly warmed up to the idea of Vigen (again, under the aforementioned conditions).
Edit: Another downside to Vigen is that I'm not exactly sure he has the defensive mind that Bohl (or Bohl's defensive disciples) have. But again, he's shown the willingness to employ staff that know what they're doing, so idk.
I'd much rather offer Jay Hill, Marcus Arroyo, or Scottie Hazelton a boatload of money and see what happens. But I've slowly warmed up to the idea of Vigen (again, under the aforementioned conditions).
Edit: Another downside to Vigen is that I'm not exactly sure he has the defensive mind that Bohl (or Bohl's defensive disciples) have. But again, he's shown the willingness to employ staff that know what they're doing, so idk.
Re: Vigen
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:53 pm
Re: Vigen
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:46 pm
DamThatRiver22 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:50 pm Vigen has shown the willingness and ability to hire an OC who runs a modern offense...and more importantly, let him do his own thing. He's also shown that he can be handed the reigns to a program in decent shape and build upon it. I honestly don't really want to bring him back if we have other options, but it wouldn't necessarily be a terrible hire provided he's not calling plays and he's not coaching the QBs.
I'd much rather offer Jay Hill, Marcus Arroyo, or Scottie Hazelton a boatload of money and see what happens. But I've slowly warmed up to the idea of Vigen (again, under the aforementioned conditions).
Edit: Another downside to Vigen is that I'm not exactly sure he has the defensive mind that Bohl (or Bohl's defensive disciples) have. But again, he's shown the willingness to employ staff that know what they're doing, so idk.
Re: Vigen
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 9:06 am
Why not?
He's an offensive mind that is decent at developing QBs. He's familiar with the town, the state, and the program, was instrumental in recruiting and developing Brett Smith, ran some pretty fun offenses in his couple of years here, and got us to a bowl game/win. I don't think you can lay Dave Christensen's shortcomings at Arroyo's feet....especially when he [Arroyo] went on to be a part of some pretty explosive offenses at Oregon (in spite of yet another poop head coach in Christobal).
He was put in an astoundingly tough situation at UNLV, a program that has had ONE 7-win season in 21 years and three winning seasons in the last THIRTY YEARS. If you actually pay attention to UNLV football and the nuances of some of their games/schedules, he's made massive strides the last couple of years with that program. He went into a FAR worse situation at UNLV than even Bohl came into at Wyoming.
He's got experience getting the most out of his QBs and offenses in spite of being hamstrung by poop head coaches, and he's got experience turning around a program that was a massive dumpster fire for literal decades. He's also got experience at all levels of CFB and the NFL, and was a pretty good QB himself.
Is he the best option? Maybe not, but beggars can't be choosers and he's certainly top 5...especially considering what we can afford and who's willing to come here.
He's an offensive mind that is decent at developing QBs. He's familiar with the town, the state, and the program, was instrumental in recruiting and developing Brett Smith, ran some pretty fun offenses in his couple of years here, and got us to a bowl game/win. I don't think you can lay Dave Christensen's shortcomings at Arroyo's feet....especially when he [Arroyo] went on to be a part of some pretty explosive offenses at Oregon (in spite of yet another poop head coach in Christobal).
He was put in an astoundingly tough situation at UNLV, a program that has had ONE 7-win season in 21 years and three winning seasons in the last THIRTY YEARS. If you actually pay attention to UNLV football and the nuances of some of their games/schedules, he's made massive strides the last couple of years with that program. He went into a FAR worse situation at UNLV than even Bohl came into at Wyoming.
He's got experience getting the most out of his QBs and offenses in spite of being hamstrung by poop head coaches, and he's got experience turning around a program that was a massive dumpster fire for literal decades. He's also got experience at all levels of CFB and the NFL, and was a pretty good QB himself.
Is he the best option? Maybe not, but beggars can't be choosers and he's certainly top 5...especially considering what we can afford and who's willing to come here.
Re: Vigen
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:24 am
I don’t know if this is satire or serious.DamThatRiver22 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 9:06 am Why not?
He's an offensive mind that is decent at developing QBs. He's familiar with the town, the state, and the program, was instrumental in recruiting and developing Brett Smith, ran some pretty fun offenses in his couple of years here, and got us to a bowl game/win. I don't think you can lay Dave Christensen's shortcomings at Arroyo's feet....especially when he [Arroyo] went on to be a part of some pretty explosive offenses at Oregon (in spite of yet another sh#t[#] head coach in Christobal).
He was put in an astoundingly tough situation at UNLV, a program that has had ONE 7-win season in 21 years and three winning seasons in the last THIRTY YEARS. If you actually pay attention to UNLV football and the nuances of some of their games/schedules, he's made massive strides the last couple of years with that program. He went into a FAR worse situation at UNLV than even Bohl came into at Wyoming.
He's got experience getting the most out of his QBs and offenses in spite of being hamstrung by sh#t[#] head coaches, and he's got experience turning around a program that was a massive dumpster fire for literal decades. He's also got experience at all levels of CFB and the NFL, and was a pretty good QB himself.
Is he the best option? Maybe not, but beggars can't be choosers and he's certainly top 5...especially considering what we can afford and who's willing to come here.
If you asked me to name the absolute worst coaching candidates, Arroyo would be near the top of the list. How he has kept falling upwards in his career is baffling. UNLV will continue to suck.
Re: Vigen
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:17 pm
The Bohl era will 100% end when he decides to retire because Burman and UW athletics are happy winning 6 or 7 games and making some bottom tier MW bowl. I highly doubt that this is the offseason it happens. I'm guessing we are stuck with Bohl for better or worse another 2-3 seasons.
Re: Vigen
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:39 pm
I've asked before, got zero names. Which FBS head coach with a competitive track record and an upward trajectory, that currently makes significantly less $ than Bohl and/or would consider UW an upgrade are you thinking of hiring?
There are quite a few people around here who seem to think there's a huge pool of these types of people, I'm dying to see them!
Edit:
I did the research for you. Here are the only humans on earth who have a better career FBS record than Bohl and a better record this season than Bohl, who don't currently work for a Power 5 program and who make less $ than Bohl:
James Madison - Curt Cignetti (can't find salary, JMU has only been FBS for one year)
Troy - Jon Sumrall
App State - Shawn Clark
Coastal Carolina - Jamey Chadwell
South Alabama - Kane Wommack
Toledo - Jason Candle
Marshall - Charles Huff
Western Kentucky - Tyson Helton
Re: Vigen
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:00 pm
I just want someone with proven D-1 experience. A retread, someone with baggage, an up and comer. This is a tough ask, though , so we may be resigned to FCS head coachesBackHarlowRoad wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:39 pmI've asked before, got zero names. Which FBS head coach with a competitive track record and an upward trajectory, that currently makes significantly less $ than Bohl and/or would consider UW an upgrade are you thinking of hiring?
There are quite a few people around here who seem to think there's a huge pool of these types of people, I'm dying to see them!
Re: Vigen
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:31 pm
BackHarlowRoad wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:39 pmI've asked before, got zero names. Which FBS head coach with a competitive track record and an upward trajectory, that currently makes significantly less $ than Bohl and/or would consider UW an upgrade are you thinking of hiring?
There are quite a few people around here who seem to think there's a huge pool of these types of people, I'm dying to see them!
Re: Vigen
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 3:01 pm
I agree with you. We would all love Nick Saban but that isn’t happening.BackHarlowRoad wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:39 pmI've asked before, got zero names. Which FBS head coach with a competitive track record and an upward trajectory, that currently makes significantly less $ than Bohl and/or would consider UW an upgrade are you thinking of hiring?
There are quite a few people around here who seem to think there's a huge pool of these types of people, I'm dying to see them!
Edit:
I did the research for you. Here are the only humans on earth who have a better career FBS record than Bohl and a better record this season than Bohl, who don't currently work for a Power 5 program and who make less $ than Bohl:
James Madison - Curt Cignetti (can't find salary, JMU has only been FBS for one year)
Troy - Jon Sumrall
App State - Shawn Clark
Coastal Carolina - Jamey Chadwell
South Alabama - Kane Wommack
Toledo - Jason Candle
Marshall - Charles Huff
Western Kentucky - Tyson Helton
None of those guys listed have any deep ties to Wyoming recruiting grounds as far as I know. Bringing in a guy with almost exclusive southeastern United States ties would be a big mistake.
I’m excited for the future of our program if we can keep from getting hammered by the portal. There is some talent here already.
Re: Vigen
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:37 pm
Correct, none of those guys have any ties whatsoever to Wyoming, or even the rocky mountain region as a whole. 2 had brief stints in California and are the closest they've been to us geographically. If for some reason, someone finds a connection and we catch their eye, great, but I'm giving that crazy low odds.OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 3:01 pm None of those guys listed have any deep ties to Wyoming
Our options:
- FCS
- Up and coming coordinator
- Failed former HC from larger school
That's just the way it is, Pokes.
Re: Vigen
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 6:44 pm
What about Jim McElwain?
If we have to go FCS my vote is for Hill from Weber State
If we have to go FCS my vote is for Hill from Weber State