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WYO1016 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:00 am
laxwyo wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:17 pm Since 1016 punked out on answering the question maybe the other haters of liberty can weigh in

What’s the difference between a business making you suck dick to keep your job and getting a vaccine to keep your job?
Legality. The US Supreme Court has ruled on both.

The vaccine case is pretty cut and dried. There's a reason they keep rejecting current vaccine mandate cases.

Jacobsen v. Massachusetts: https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/197/11/
It is within the police power of a State to enact a compulsory vaccination law, and it is for the legislature, and not for the courts, to determine
the deed harrassment has been tried over and over again, but Meritor Saving Bank v. Vinson is the most clear opinion on your hypothetical.

Meritor Saving Bank v. Vinson: https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/477/57/
A claim of "hostile environment" the deed harassment is a form of the deed discrimination that is actionable under Title VII.
Framing people who have different opinions than you as "haters of liberty" is dishonest on your part. Unchecked liberty is anarchy. You can categorize people that follow the rule of law as haters of anarchy if you like, though.
So, you support forcing people take an experimental vaccine (yes it is experimental because all of us who took it served as the data set for further approvals and determination of safety) that protects individuals but does not stop the spread or wrecking the livelihood of those that refuse.

Do you also support forcing businesses to police the vaccine mandates complete with checking customers' vaccine cards and photo ID?

Man, never in the US would I think you'd have to show papers to move about and furthermore that half the population would support it. Scares the hell out of me.
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ragtimejoe1 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:10 am So, you support forcing people take an experimental vaccine (yes it is experimental because all of us who took it served as the data set for further approvals and determination of safety) that protects individuals but does not stop the spread or wrecking the livelihood of those that refuse.

Do you also support forcing businesses to police the vaccine mandates complete with checking customers' vaccine cards and photo ID?

Man, never in the US would I think you'd have to show papers to move about and furthermore that half the population would support it. Scares the hell out of me.
I do not support forcing anyone to be vaccinated. However, I do support the right for businesses to have standards of employment. It is their right to require vaccines, and it is the employee's right to resign if they disagree with that requirement.

Every product or procedure used by you, I, or anyone else has been experimental. Nothing in recorded history has ever been invented and then never been researched more to try to improve upon it. There are still experiments being undertaken on the wheel, which makes the wheel experimental. Do you still use wheels? I thought so.

No one is making you show your "papers" to move about. I've had to show my vaccine card twice. Both times were because restaurants required vaccines to be seated indoors, which again is their right. No one is making you show your vaccine card to leave your house or walk down the street, so maybe stop with the holocaust comparisons.
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WYO1016 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:35 am
I do not support forcing anyone to be vaccinated. However, I do support the right for businesses to have standards of employment. It is their right to require vaccines, and it is the employee's right to resign if they disagree with that requirement.
This isn't businesses CHOOSING to mandate vaccines; this is a government MANDATE on businesses. The mandate is only supported by 1 party. The government is FORCING you to take a vaccine or your livelihood is wrecked.
WYO1016 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:35 am Every product or procedure used by you, I, or anyone else has been experimental. Nothing in recorded history has ever been invented and then never been researched more to try to improve upon it. There are still experiments being undertaken on the wheel, which makes the wheel experimental. Do you still use wheels? I thought so.
Horse manure. This was emergency approval and the citizens served as the experimental group to make sure it was safe. Not even close to what you are implying.
WYO1016 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:35 am No one is making you show your "papers" to move about. I've had to show my vaccine card twice. Both times were because restaurants required vaccines to be seated indoors, which again is their right. No one is making you show your vaccine card to leave your house or walk down the street, so maybe stop with the holocaust comparisons.
I'm sorry your supportive of this gestapo approach. It truly scares me that we have folks like you that you support this. Shutting businesses down because they won't check vaccine cards and ids...amazing.
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WestWYOPoke wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 4:38 pm Ok, I'm confused... is Biden a socialist (which in conservative talk means communist apparently) or is he the next Hitler? He certainly can't be both as they are ideological opposites. Some help here guys?
Totalitarian is a word to that describes communists, socialists, fascists, etc.
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ragtimejoe1 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:46 am
WYO1016 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:35 am
I do not support forcing anyone to be vaccinated. However, I do support the right for businesses to have standards of employment. It is their right to require vaccines, and it is the employee's right to resign if they disagree with that requirement.
This isn't businesses CHOOSING to mandate vaccines; this is a government MANDATE on businesses. The mandate is only supported by 1 party. The government is FORCING you to take a vaccine or your livelihood is wrecked.
WYO1016 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:35 am Every product or procedure used by you, I, or anyone else has been experimental. Nothing in recorded history has ever been invented and then never been researched more to try to improve upon it. There are still experiments being undertaken on the wheel, which makes the wheel experimental. Do you still use wheels? I thought so.
Horse manure. This was emergency approval and the citizens served as the experimental group to make sure it was safe. Not even close to what you are implying.
WYO1016 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:35 am No one is making you show your "papers" to move about. I've had to show my vaccine card twice. Both times were because restaurants required vaccines to be seated indoors, which again is their right. No one is making you show your vaccine card to leave your house or walk down the street, so maybe stop with the holocaust comparisons.
I'm sorry your supportive of this gestapo approach. It truly scares me that we have folks like you that you support this. Shutting businesses down because they won't check vaccine cards and ids...amazing.
You are twisting my words. Let me be very clear: I do not support the federal government mandating vaccine requirements for private businesses. It is overreach of the government, and I disagree with it.

I support the right of employers to make their own standards of employement within the guard rails of the law.

I support the right of businesses to have rules of conduct, dress codes, safety requirements, and any other things that they deem necessary to run their business as they see fit, as long as all of it falls within the guard rails of the law.
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WYO1016 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:57 am
You are twisting my words. Let me be very clear: I do not support the federal government mandating vaccine requirements for private businesses. It is overreach of the government, and I disagree with it.

I support the right of employers to make their own standards of employement within the guard rails of the law.

I support the right of businesses to have rules of conduct, dress codes, safety requirements, and any other things that they deem necessary to run their business as they see fit, as long as all of it falls within the guard rails of the law.
So you oppose liberal Democrats who are forcing this on businesses and individuals?

If you vote Democrat, you support it.
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ragtimejoe1 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:29 am
WYO1016 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:57 am
You are twisting my words. Let me be very clear: I do not support the federal government mandating vaccine requirements for private businesses. It is overreach of the government, and I disagree with it.

I support the right of employers to make their own standards of employement within the guard rails of the law.

I support the right of businesses to have rules of conduct, dress codes, safety requirements, and any other things that they deem necessary to run their business as they see fit, as long as all of it falls within the guard rails of the law.
So you oppose liberal Democrats who are forcing this on businesses and individuals?

If you vote Democrat, you support it.
As I have regularly stated, I am not a democrat. I do not vote democrat. I also don't vote republican. IDGAF what ticket someone is running on. I vote for the person and their views.

Again, I oppose government vaccine mandates on private businesses.
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WYO1016 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:46 am
As I have regularly stated, I am not a democrat. I do not vote democrat. I also don't vote republican. IDGAF what ticket someone is running on. I vote for the person and their views.

Again, I oppose government vaccine mandates on private businesses.
Good to hear you oppose Biden and Democrats; scares me that there are lots of people who support them.

With a highly polarized electorate and effectively 50/50 split on opinions, I strongly oppose federal mandates on federal employees to take a vaccine--we will disagree on this. I guess WA people can vote themselves a Hitler-style government; that's their right. However, I think that is overstepping on personal liberties especially when it is clear that vaccines don't stop the spread (yes, that is clear). A government forcing someone to take a vaccine (that only protects the individual at best) or lose their job with the government is wrong and crosses way too many lines. ?
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WYO1016 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:00 am
laxwyo wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:17 pm Since 1016 punked out on answering the question maybe the other haters of liberty can weigh in

What’s the difference between a business making you suck dick to keep your job and getting a vaccine to keep your job?
Legality. The US Supreme Court has ruled on both.

The vaccine case is pretty cut and dried. There's a reason they keep rejecting current vaccine mandate cases.

Jacobsen v. Massachusetts: https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/197/11/
It is within the police power of a State to enact a compulsory vaccination law, and it is for the legislature, and not for the courts, to determine
the deed harrassment has been tried over and over again, but Meritor Saving Bank v. Vinson is the most clear opinion on your hypothetical.

Meritor Saving Bank v. Vinson: https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/477/57/
A claim of "hostile environment" the deed harassment is a form of the deed discrimination that is actionable under Title VII.
Framing people who have different opinions than you as "haters of liberty" is dishonest on your part. Unchecked liberty is anarchy. You can categorize people that follow the rule of law as haters of anarchy if you like, though.
Do you read the whole opinion or stop when you get what you want?

Thanks for proving my point. It definitely should be up to the legislatures to determine vaccination of it’s citizens. Some old drooling dude cannot unilaterally declare we must be vaccinated or our employers will fined. Thats our whole point. Seems pretty clear cut that legislatures must enact vaccination laws. Executive branches cannot. State legislatures are enacting laws against vaccine passports and vaccine mandates. Wyoming might convene special session. This is the whole “schools already require vaccines for students to attend” argument. Yes, vaccines can be good and it should be up to legislators to create laws. Governors and the president can’t just waive their arms and say you can’t go grocery shopping or leverage their federal power against businesses.
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Vaccines aren't meant to stop the spread... they are meant to slow the spread... which they are. Those are facts, sorry you don't like them.
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LanderPoke wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:54 am
WestWYOPoke wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 4:38 pm Ok, I'm confused... is Biden a socialist (which in conservative talk means communist apparently) or is he the next Hitler? He certainly can't be both as they are ideological opposites. Some help here guys?
Totalitarian is a word to that describes communists, socialists, fascists, etc.
Yeah, I'm well aware, so tell me in what way he is a totalitarian. Vaccine mandate doesn't qualify. What else? The current republican party is far closer to the fascism shown by Hitler et al than the Democrats are with any totalitarian-like moves.

I gotta give the current Republican party kudos, they have done an excellent job of tribalizing the conservative right (Dems have done a decent job with the left, but not as aggressively). At this point, if Democrats started to advocate for a Constitutional Amendment to ban flag burning, Republicans would oppose it just to "own the libs".
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ragtimejoe1 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:29 am
WYO1016 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:57 am
You are twisting my words. Let me be very clear: I do not support the federal government mandating vaccine requirements for private businesses. It is overreach of the government, and I disagree with it.

I support the right of employers to make their own standards of employement within the guard rails of the law.

I support the right of businesses to have rules of conduct, dress codes, safety requirements, and any other things that they deem necessary to run their business as they see fit, as long as all of it falls within the guard rails of the law.
So you oppose liberal Democrats who are forcing this on businesses and individuals?

If you vote Democrat, you support it.
So voting for a candidate means supporting EVERYTHING that person or party does? poop. That's disingenuous and you know it.

So conversely, every person that voted for Trump supports nationalism, not denouncing white supremacy, infidelity, mocking the handicapped, bad-mouthing veterans, overthrowing the government, etc.

I don't think most Trump voters support those things, so why do that the other way.
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WestWYOPoke wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:44 pm Vaccines aren't meant to stop the spread... they are meant to slow the spread... which they are. Those are facts, sorry you don't like them.
poop. With a 40%+ breakthrough rate in many areas, it isn't slowing delta at all. Israel has a great vaccination rate and their breakthroughs are really high resulting in near record levels of COVID. Expert virologists at Oxford are highlighting how misleading the narrative is about slowing the spread.

Also poop about what vaccines are designed to do. Like everything with COVID, they move the goalpost and change the narrative. Vaccines are categorized by their level of protectiveness and many vaccines provide complete protection.

COVID vaccines prevent severe infection at best. Sorry. That's the fact no matter how much cnn you listen to.
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Here's an example how the media misleads you... https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-58680204
The figures also showed 99% of people who tested positive for Covid in the past week in Wales were under 60. Of these, 37% were unvaccinated.
I'm amazed by the number of people that can't think of that from another way...63% of the positive cases were fully vaccinated.
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WYO1016 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:46 am
ragtimejoe1 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:29 am
WYO1016 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:57 am
You are twisting my words. Let me be very clear: I do not support the federal government mandating vaccine requirements for private businesses. It is overreach of the government, and I disagree with it.

I support the right of employers to make their own standards of employement within the guard rails of the law.

I support the right of businesses to have rules of conduct, dress codes, safety requirements, and any other things that they deem necessary to run their business as they see fit, as long as all of it falls within the guard rails of the law.
So you oppose liberal Democrats who are forcing this on businesses and individuals?

If you vote Democrat, you support it.
As I have regularly stated, I am not a democrat. I do not vote democrat. I also don't vote republican. IDGAF what ticket someone is running on. I vote for the person and their views.

Again, I oppose government vaccine mandates on private businesses.
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Smilie changed, I agree with opposing government mandates (vaccine & others) on "small" &/or private businesses.
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WestWYOPoke wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:49 pm
LanderPoke wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:54 am
WestWYOPoke wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 4:38 pm Ok, I'm confused... is Biden a socialist (which in conservative talk means communist apparently) or is he the next Hitler? He certainly can't be both as they are ideological opposites. Some help here guys?
Totalitarian is a word to that describes communists, socialists, fascists, etc.
Yeah, I'm well aware, so tell me in what way he is a totalitarian. Vaccine mandate doesn't qualify. What else? The current republican party is far closer to the fascism shown by Hitler et al than the Democrats are with any totalitarian-like moves.

I gotta give the current Republican party kudos, they have done an excellent job of tribalizing the conservative right (Dems have done a decent job with the left, but not as aggressively). At this point, if Democrats started to advocate for a Constitutional Amendment to ban flag burning, Republicans would oppose it just to "own the libs".
How does the vaccine mandate not qualify? It's the most totalitarian thing that has been done in this country since the government rounded up Japanese-American and put them in camps. The vaccine stuff is straight from a dictator's playbook. Biden's not a king. He can't tell the people to inject themselves with something or they lose their livelihoods. Biden said "this is not about your freedom or personal choice". F that and F him.

Biden is on pace for the most executive orders of any recent president. Biden is weaponizing the FBI against soccer moms that don't share his sordid vision of what America should be. They don't want you to have any say in what's taught to your children. Biden's attack on free speech through censorship on social media is disturbing and un American. They want to look into your private bank account and monitor your activity! dude! Biden and the left would control every aspect of your life if they could because they think they know what's best for your. They think you are stupid and can't make the right choice. They would 100% control your life in the name of "climate" too. The left is psychotic. People are beginning to wake up. Biden's approval rating is in the toilet and there's going to be a red wave in 2022. Hopefully the madness will slow down at that point.

What are all the totalitarian things that Republicans and the right do?
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LanderPoke wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:49 am
WestWYOPoke wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:49 pm
LanderPoke wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:54 am
WestWYOPoke wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 4:38 pm Ok, I'm confused... is Biden a socialist (which in conservative talk means communist apparently) or is he the next Hitler? He certainly can't be both as they are ideological opposites. Some help here guys?
Totalitarian is a word to that describes communists, socialists, fascists, etc.
Yeah, I'm well aware, so tell me in what way he is a totalitarian. Vaccine mandate doesn't qualify. What else? The current republican party is far closer to the fascism shown by Hitler et al than the Democrats are with any totalitarian-like moves.

I gotta give the current Republican party kudos, they have done an excellent job of tribalizing the conservative right (Dems have done a decent job with the left, but not as aggressively). At this point, if Democrats started to advocate for a Constitutional Amendment to ban flag burning, Republicans would oppose it just to "own the libs".
How does the vaccine mandate not qualify? It's the most totalitarian thing that has been done in this country since the government rounded up Japanese-American and put them in camps. The vaccine stuff is straight from a dictator's playbook. Biden's not a king. He can't tell the people to inject themselves with something or they lose their livelihoods. Biden said "this is not about your freedom or personal choice". F that and F him.

Biden is on pace for the most executive orders of any recent president. Biden is weaponizing the FBI against soccer moms that don't share his sordid vision of what America should be. They don't want you to have any say in what's taught to your children. Biden's attack on free speech through censorship on social media is disturbing and un American. They want to look into your private bank account and monitor your activity! dude! Biden and the left would control every aspect of your life if they could because they think they know what's best for your. They think you are stupid and can't make the right choice. They would 100% control your life in the name of "climate" too. The left is psychotic. People are beginning to wake up. Biden's approval rating is in the toilet and there's going to be a red wave in 2022. Hopefully the madness will slow down at that point.
Let me preface my rant with this - I'm not trying to be confrontational, and you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but to say a vaccine mandate is the most totalitarian thing in this country since locking up the Japanese is a reach at best.

Here's an example. Try turning 18, being told to register with the local draft board, wait a few months, get a letter that starts with "Greetings from the President of the United States of America..." and then being sent off to a f-word jungle to fight a war only the government wanted. In that case, a lot of people were shot with a whole lot worse than a COVID vaccine. We had two choices - fight or Canada. Try that on for size and then tell me how bad this vaccine is.

I also remember 45 days after 9/11, Congress approved the Patriot Act. It does exactly what you state Biden is going to do, and I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but they've been doing it since 9/11/2001. They already know what goes on in your bank account, they already listen in on your phone calls, and already read your emails. Drive by the 1.5 million square foot NSA monstrosity at the Point of the Mountain in Utah and tell me that they aren't busy at work scooping up as much poop as they can off each and every one of us. This has been going on since Bush, continued under Obama, then under Trump, and now under Biden all in the name of "national security." Both parties, Republicans and Democrats, thought it was a great idea. When was the last time you flew? Did you get the 10 questions, removed all your electronics, took off your shoes, walked through x-ray machines, were virtually strip searched and patted down like a common criminal just so you can get to your gate? I would call that invasive, and a hell of a lot worse than a shot. I'm all for pushing back on government, but I would humbly suggest you pick your battles carefully.

I know a bunch of people have their panties in a wad over "get a shot or lose your job." The last company I worked for required a drug and alcohol screen, an FBI background check, and a credit check just to be considered for employment. How's that for invasive? If you think you've been living in a "free country" prior to Biden, you haven't been paying attention. When was the last time you registered your car? No insurance, sorry, no registration. Cancel your insurance without getting different coverage, they will come looking for you. I'd call that a mandate, and that is done on the state level. There are plenty of things that are mandated in this country. Some of them are probably a good idea. Some of them are probably a bad idea. And some of them, well, the jury is still out. I just wish folks would quit attacking people with different ideas and understand we are all in this together.

We used to have a saying when we were told something we "had" to do. We would always answer, "Well, at least they can't shave my head and send me off to Viet Nam, again." Tell yourself that after the next thing government throws your way. It can, and probably will get worse. Ask yourself, "Is this the hill I want to die on." If it is, then attack it with all of the gusto you can muster. If it isn't, then move on. Stress kills too. I just wish all of the Cowboy fans the best. May you all live to be a grouchy old f-word like I am. :twocents:
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CowboyNV wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:27 am
LanderPoke wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:49 am
WestWYOPoke wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:49 pm
LanderPoke wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:54 am
WestWYOPoke wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 4:38 pm Ok, I'm confused... is Biden a socialist (which in conservative talk means communist apparently) or is he the next Hitler? He certainly can't be both as they are ideological opposites. Some help here guys?
Totalitarian is a word to that describes communists, socialists, fascists, etc.
Yeah, I'm well aware, so tell me in what way he is a totalitarian. Vaccine mandate doesn't qualify. What else? The current republican party is far closer to the fascism shown by Hitler et al than the Democrats are with any totalitarian-like moves.

I gotta give the current Republican party kudos, they have done an excellent job of tribalizing the conservative right (Dems have done a decent job with the left, but not as aggressively). At this point, if Democrats started to advocate for a Constitutional Amendment to ban flag burning, Republicans would oppose it just to "own the libs".
How does the vaccine mandate not qualify? It's the most totalitarian thing that has been done in this country since the government rounded up Japanese-American and put them in camps. The vaccine stuff is straight from a dictator's playbook. Biden's not a king. He can't tell the people to inject themselves with something or they lose their livelihoods. Biden said "this is not about your freedom or personal choice". F that and F him.

Biden is on pace for the most executive orders of any recent president. Biden is weaponizing the FBI against soccer moms that don't share his sordid vision of what America should be. They don't want you to have any say in what's taught to your children. Biden's attack on free speech through censorship on social media is disturbing and un American. They want to look into your private bank account and monitor your activity! dude! Biden and the left would control every aspect of your life if they could because they think they know what's best for your. They think you are stupid and can't make the right choice. They would 100% control your life in the name of "climate" too. The left is psychotic. People are beginning to wake up. Biden's approval rating is in the toilet and there's going to be a red wave in 2022. Hopefully the madness will slow down at that point.
Let me preface my rant with this - I'm not trying to be confrontational, and you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but to say a vaccine mandate is the most totalitarian thing in this country since locking up the Japanese is a reach at best.

Here's an example. Try turning 18, being told to register with the local draft board, wait a few months, get a letter that starts with "Greetings from the President of the United States of America..." and then being sent off to a f-word jungle to fight a war only the government wanted. In that case, a lot of people were shot with a whole lot worse than a COVID vaccine. We had two choices - fight or Canada. Try that on for size and then tell me how bad this vaccine is.

I also remember 45 days after 9/11, Congress approved the Patriot Act. It does exactly what you state Biden is going to do, and I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but they've been doing it since 9/11/2001. They already know what goes on in your bank account, they already listen in on your phone calls, and already read your emails. Drive by the 1.5 million square foot NSA monstrosity at the Point of the Mountain in Utah and tell me that they aren't busy at work scooping up as much poop as they can off each and every one of us. This has been going on since Bush, continued under Obama, then under Trump, and now under Biden all in the name of "national security." Both parties, Republicans and Democrats, thought it was a great idea. When was the last time you flew? Did you get the 10 questions, removed all your electronics, took off your shoes, walked through x-ray machines, were virtually strip searched and patted down like a common criminal just so you can get to your gate? I would call that invasive, and a hell of a lot worse than a shot. I'm all for pushing back on government, but I would humbly suggest you pick your battles carefully.

I know a bunch of people have their panties in a wad over "get a shot or lose your job." The last company I worked for required a drug and alcohol screen, an FBI background check, and a credit check just to be considered for employment. How's that for invasive? If you think you've been living in a "free country" prior to Biden, you haven't been paying attention. When was the last time you registered your car? No insurance, sorry, no registration. Cancel your insurance without getting different coverage, they will come looking for you. I'd call that a mandate, and that is done on the state level. There are plenty of things that are mandated in this country. Some of them are probably a good idea. Some of them are probably a bad idea. And some of them, well, the jury is still out. I just wish folks would quit attacking people with different ideas and understand we are all in this together.

We used to have a saying when we were told something we "had" to do. We would always answer, "Well, at least they can't shave my head and send me off to Viet Nam, again." Tell yourself that after the next thing government throws your way. It can, and probably will get worse. Ask yourself, "Is this the hill I want to die on." If it is, then attack it with all of the gusto you can muster. If it isn't, then move on. Stress kills too. I just wish all of the Cowboy fans the best. May you all live to be a grouchy old f-word like I am. :twocents:
“They already do bad poop so we should let them do this” is not the most convincing argument I’ve ever heard. Most of that stuff is bad and it’s the cowards that refused to stand up to those mandates is why we are where we are today.
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WestWYOPoke wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:56 pm
ragtimejoe1 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:29 am
WYO1016 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:57 am
You are twisting my words. Let me be very clear: I do not support the federal government mandating vaccine requirements for private businesses. It is overreach of the government, and I disagree with it.

I support the right of employers to make their own standards of employement within the guard rails of the law.

I support the right of businesses to have rules of conduct, dress codes, safety requirements, and any other things that they deem necessary to run their business as they see fit, as long as all of it falls within the guard rails of the law.
So you oppose liberal Democrats who are forcing this on businesses and individuals?

If you vote Democrat, you support it.
So voting for a candidate means supporting EVERYTHING that person or party does? poop. That's disingenuous and you know it.

So conversely, every person that voted for Trump supports nationalism, not denouncing white supremacy, infidelity, mocking the handicapped, bad-mouthing veterans, overthrowing the government, etc.

I don't think most Trump voters support those things, so why do that the other way.
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WestWYOPoke wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:56 pm
So voting for a candidate means supporting EVERYTHING that person or party does? [#]sh#t. That's disingenuous and you know it.

So conversely, every person that voted for Trump supports nationalism, not denouncing white supremacy, infidelity, mocking the handicapped, bad-mouthing veterans, overthrowing the government, etc.

I don't think most Trump voters support those things, so why do that the other way.
You voted for this moron, you put him in place, and these are his POLICIES (note not behavior). Thus, you support his policies and you are responsible for the mandates.

Nationalism (Wasn't a trump fan, but supported the America first concept), trump had no white supremacy policies (liberal talking point), infidelity is a behavior not a policy, mocking handicapped is a behavior not policy, bad mouthing veterans is a behavior not a policy (Biden's policy is to fire them if they won't take the vaccine), overthrowing government (meh, bunch of idiots and seems way overblown to me--sort of like how Biden policy isn't responsible for the race riots).

You vote Democrat, you are responsible for this along with everything else like begging OPEC to increase oil because the guy you put in office crippled US production. Oh yeah, I forgot Democrats are opposed to US first--makes sense.
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