I have said it for 2 years... Fire Edwards

[CowboyNV]

If something isn't done soon, this will be Schroyer Part 2. The Cowboys are really close to losing what little fan base is left if things don't change. I predicted this team would be lucky to win 10 games this year, and after last night, I'm not sure they win 6. I don't like coaching changes mid-year, but I think it is time to pull the trigger and get somebody else in (maybe Legerski can do double duty ).

That's what really disgusts me now. Back when Stevie Mac had the Pokes rolling, the AA had 14-, 15-, 16 thousand fans in it for conference games. I remember reading a WYO-CSU post-game article from a sheep reporter with a first sentence stating: "In an atmosphere so supercharged, it was nearly frightening...."

It's embarrassing what you see in the lower bowl nowadays.

If I'm President Nicholls, I order an "attendance review" of the AA. This would include an examination of the impact of the renovations, how the re-seating of season ticket holders was handled, and team record/ performance. These are all criteria for which Burman can be held accountable.

It is time to cut bait. Burman has had some real poor moves over his career, but what has gone on with the basketball side of things has been a joke (including Shyatt....other than the miracle in Vegas, his performance was subpar as well). I fear that Wyoming will never return to prominence until/unless Burman is removed from the equation.

Why is the sentiment that Shyatt was no good so prevalent? Do people have a problem with hard-nosed defensive teams? I understand if you want a more up-tempo style but give respect to a guy as an excellent teacher of the game of basketball. Also, calling the tournament win in '14-15 a fluke is just ignorant....before mono swept through that squad, Wyoming was top three in the conference and angling for a 1 or 2 seed in the tournament. When Larry had those dudes clicking...you just couldn't score on them. Now, I'm biased towards that style of basketball but I still appreciated the success that McClain had while he was here using a more up-tempo, helter-skelter style (even though he didn't maintain it). If you think Shyatt was a bad coach your just wrong.

Because he wasn't good. He never finished higher than 4th in the MWC. His saving grace was that streak through the MWC tourney where his team vastly over-performed. The sentiment that Shyatt was some guru is equally as laughable. He was a very good defensive coach and a good motivator. His teams were always going to be solid defensively but its hard to win games if you cant score.

Shyatt was a better option than Edwards but thats not saying much. Edwards is not a D1 level coach at this time. He is underwhelming and appears to be in over his head. I don't see it happening because of his fluffy 20 win seasons but he needs to go. At this point, clean house and let someone with head coaching experience use the talent on this team.

+1000 I could not have said it better myself. Shyatt was overrated and his record as a head coach shows he wasn't even average.

[307bball]

+1000 I could not have said it better myself. Shyatt was overrated and his record as a head coach shows he wasn't even average.

Ok...reality check time. lets use conference winning percentage as our metric. Using data from 1970 to current reveals some facts.

Average coaches in-conference winning percentage: 0.4097
Median coaches in-conference winning percentage: 0.4643
Highest: Jim Brandenburg @ 0.6239
Lowest: Moe Radovich @ 0.119
Larry Shyatt in-conference winning percentage: 0.4703

So if we are rating him against wyoming head coaches..above average. What is interesting is the distribution of these winning percentages. There is a gap behind Brandenburg and then a cluster of coaches from McClain to Joby that are within just over 5 percentage points. Then after Joby it drops off again. Also interesting is that every coach had more losing conference seasons than winning ones except Brandenburg, McClain, and Shyatt. If you want to call Shyatt average you are at least technically close to being right.

Look...I get it. His style was slow and boring (according to some). I liked having a nationally respected coach whose teams did not beat themselves. I really liked watching high flying teams like SDSU come into Laramie and get thier wings clipped....the good Wyoming coaches understood how to win in Laramie and the rest...well...not so much. Ultimately if you make the dome a tough place to play you'll do ok by Wyoming basketball standards....Edwards is definitely letting that slip away. At least we can agree on that.

[Cornpoke]

Tom Burman (paraphrasing): "If we didn't hire him, someone else would have."

Burman is going for the all time AD record for total numbers of hires. I never have in my life seen a program where the AD is not tied to the coaches performance and continues to get chance after chance.

[Pokes fan 24-7]

+1000 I could not have said it better myself. Shyatt was overrated and his record as a head coach shows he wasn't even average.

Ok...reality check time. lets use conference winning percentage as our metric. Using data from 1970 to current reveals some facts.

Average coaches in-conference winning percentage: 0.4097
Median coaches in-conference winning percentage: 0.4643
Highest: Jim Brandenburg @ 0.6239
Lowest: Moe Radovich @ 0.119
Larry Shyatt in-conference winning percentage: 0.4703

So if we are rating him against wyoming head coaches..above average. What is interesting is the distribution of these winning percentages. There is a gap behind Brandenburg and then a cluster of coaches from McClain to Joby that are within just over 5 percentage points. Then after Joby it drops off again. Also interesting is that every coach had more losing conference seasons than winning ones except Brandenburg, McClain, and Shyatt. If you want to call Shyatt average you are at least technically close to being right.

Look...I get it. His style was slow and boring (according to some). I liked having a nationally respected coach whose teams did not beat themselves. I really liked watching high flying teams like SDSU come into Laramie and get thier wings clipped....the good Wyoming coaches understood how to win in Laramie and the rest...well...not so much. Ultimately if you make the dome a tough place to play you'll do ok by Wyoming basketball standards....Edwards is definitely letting that slip away. At least we can agree on that.

I agree with you that Shyatt was a solid coach. Allot people on this forum have inflated expectations for the program. If you look at almost the last 50 years we are below 500 in conference play. Edwards is currently 18 and 18 in MWC play. That is well above average for a Wyoming coach. Sure he that record might get tanked this year but they might turn it around.

I don't understand why so many are quick to fire Edwards. He has many problems, but he has probably earned another year to try and fix it. I hear the paper record argument but last year was one of our better conference showings in years and we had solid non conference wins.

This year has been rough but we have been in every game but Oregon State. We are at the top of the conference in fewest turnovers and made free throws. That means we are taking care of the ball and attacking the basket. It's not. And One ball out there. It's been rough but this team could turn it around.

[OrediggerPoke]

+1000 I could not have said it better myself. Shyatt was overrated and his record as a head coach shows he wasn't even average.

Ok...reality check time. lets use conference winning percentage as our metric. Using data from 1970 to current reveals some facts.

Average coaches in-conference winning percentage: 0.4097
Median coaches in-conference winning percentage: 0.4643
Highest: Jim Brandenburg @ 0.6239
Lowest: Moe Radovich @ 0.119
Larry Shyatt in-conference winning percentage: 0.4703

So if we are rating him against wyoming head coaches..above average. What is interesting is the distribution of these winning percentages. There is a gap behind Brandenburg and then a cluster of coaches from McClain to Joby that are within just over 5 percentage points. Then after Joby it drops off again. Also interesting is that every coach had more losing conference seasons than winning ones except Brandenburg, McClain, and Shyatt. If you want to call Shyatt average you are at least technically close to being right.

Look...I get it. His style was slow and boring (according to some). I liked having a nationally respected coach whose teams did not beat themselves. I really liked watching high flying teams like SDSU come into Laramie and get thier wings clipped....the good Wyoming coaches understood how to win in Laramie and the rest...well...not so much. Ultimately if you make the dome a tough place to play you'll do ok by Wyoming basketball standards....Edwards is definitely letting that slip away. At least we can agree on that.

I agree with you that Shyatt was a solid coach. Allot people on this forum have inflated expectations for the program. If you look at almost the last 50 years we are below 500 in conference play. Edwards is currently 18 and 18 in MWC play. That is well above average for a Wyoming coach. Sure he that record might get tanked this year but they might turn it around.

I don't understand why so many are quick to fire Edwards. He has many problems, but he has probably earned another year to try and fix it. I hear the paper record argument but last year was one of our better conference showings in years and we had solid non conference wins.

This year has been rough but we have been in every game but Oregon State. We are at the top of the conference in fewest turnovers and made free throws. That means we are taking care of the ball and attacking the basket. It's not. And One ball out there. It's been rough but this team could turn it around.

The MWC during Edwards' tenure has been the worst it has ever been (this is backed by all computer rankings and NCAA bids). Not exactly apples to apples comparison. I know those calculations are out there, but what I believe is a much more helpful stat is 'adjusted wins' which takes into account SOS both in and out of conference.

[Pokes fan 24-7]

+1000 I could not have said it better myself. Shyatt was overrated and his record as a head coach shows he wasn't even average.

Ok...reality check time. lets use conference winning percentage as our metric. Using data from 1970 to current reveals some facts.

Average coaches in-conference winning percentage: 0.4097
Median coaches in-conference winning percentage: 0.4643
Highest: Jim Brandenburg @ 0.6239
Lowest: Moe Radovich @ 0.119
Larry Shyatt in-conference winning percentage: 0.4703

So if we are rating him against wyoming head coaches..above average. What is interesting is the distribution of these winning percentages. There is a gap behind Brandenburg and then a cluster of coaches from McClain to Joby that are within just over 5 percentage points. Then after Joby it drops off again. Also interesting is that every coach had more losing conference seasons than winning ones except Brandenburg, McClain, and Shyatt. If you want to call Shyatt average you are at least technically close to being right.

Look...I get it. His style was slow and boring (according to some). I liked having a nationally respected coach whose teams did not beat themselves. I really liked watching high flying teams like SDSU come into Laramie and get thier wings clipped....the good Wyoming coaches understood how to win in Laramie and the rest...well...not so much. Ultimately if you make the dome a tough place to play you'll do ok by Wyoming basketball standards....Edwards is definitely letting that slip away. At least we can agree on that.

I agree with you that Shyatt was a solid coach. Allot people on this forum have inflated expectations for the program. If you look at almost the last 50 years we are below 500 in conference play. Edwards is currently 18 and 18 in MWC play. That is well above average for a Wyoming coach. Sure he that record might get tanked this year but they might turn it around.

I don't understand why so many are quick to fire Edwards. He has many problems, but he has probably earned another year to try and fix it. I hear the paper record argument but last year was one of our better conference showings in years and we had solid non conference wins.

This year has been rough but we have been in every game but Oregon State. We are at the top of the conference in fewest turnovers and made free throws. That means we are taking care of the ball and attacking the basket. It's not. And One ball out there. It's been rough but this team could turn it around.

The MWC during Edwards' tenure has been the worst it has ever been (this is backed by all computer rankings and NCAA bids). Not exactly apples to apples comparison. I know those calculations are out there, but what I believe is a much more helpful stat is 'adjusted wins' which takes into account SOS both in and out of conference.

Fair enough but there were still plenty of quality wins last season. Oregon State and Fresno st. on the road, NDSU and Louisanna on neutral sites, SDSU, Boisie St, Nevada at home.