Doesn't look good for Ghaifan
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:57 pm
I agree that it doesn't fit his public image of a good guy, but holy cow. How dumb he be? You can't force yourself onto a woman in today's day in age.J-Bone wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:35 pm So, he goes into an open room where she's cleaning, closes the door, pins her to the wall, and starts kissing her? In the morning of game day?
He obviously got her number, so there's something here, but the description is off to me considering Ghaifan's public image and history.
Agreed. He said / she said. He will lose in today's climate though - regardless.
Certainly a he-said/she said but I don't think anyone has any adequate information at this point to call poop on anything one way or another.McPeachy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:30 amAgreed. He said / she said. He will lose in today's climate though - regardless.
Most confusing to me? She "pushed him away"? A f-word 300lb well conditioned DL, versus what, a 150lb maid? And she pushed him away? Hell, there were O lineman that couldn't do that this year, but she could? I call poop on that alone.
Hey can you clarify the "climate" you're referring to? Do you mean our pervasive climate where many men still think they can intimidate or coerce women into what they want without repercussions, or the currently changing state of that climate where women (and men) are expressing disgust at the presumption that consent isn't really necessary? I mean, him simply kicking out the door stop is enough for me. In what world do you think that is okay?McPeachy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:30 amAgreed. He said / she said. He will lose in today's climate though - regardless.
Most confusing to me? She "pushed him away"? A f-word 300lb well conditioned DL, versus what, a 150lb maid? And she pushed him away? Hell, there were O lineman that couldn't do that this year, but she could? I call poop on that alone.
There's nowhere neear enough information to call the whole thing one way or the other, let alone this detail of the account. Was her back against the wall? If so, the wall becomes a force multiplier against someone unsupported. Was he off balance? If so, his own weight would work against him. Was he momentarily distracted? If so, he wouldn't be prepared for counter force. Was he in the act of pulling her toward him or lifting her? If so, again, his bulk could be used as a counter force against him.McPeachy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:30 amAgreed. He said / she said. He will lose in today's climate though - regardless.
Most confusing to me? She "pushed him away"? A f-word 300lb well conditioned DL, versus what, a 150lb maid? And she pushed him away? Hell, there were O lineman that couldn't do that this year, but she could? I call poop on that alone.
LOL - relax. Guilty until proven innocent...not related to anything or anyone specifically, or any situation specifically (the deed, race, color, creed, number to fingers, hair color, career, blood type, etc., etc., etc). Our legal system is a god damned disaster, from top to bottom. Clear enough for you? Your assumptions prove my point.GOWYO wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:47 amHey can you clarify the "climate" you're referring to? Do you mean our pervasive climate where many men still think they can intimidate or coerce women into what they want without repercussions, or the currently changing state of that climate where women (and men) are expressing disgust at the presumption that consent isn't really necessary? I mean, him simply kicking out the door stop is enough for me. In what world do you think that is okay?McPeachy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:30 amAgreed. He said / she said. He will lose in today's climate though - regardless.
Most confusing to me? She "pushed him away"? A f-word 300lb well conditioned DL, versus what, a 150lb maid? And she pushed him away? Hell, there were O lineman that couldn't do that this year, but she could? I call poop on that alone.
Agreed - my point wasn't anything more than questioning whether she is telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth (in this specific situation). Quite odd...OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:40 amCertainly a he-said/she said but I don't think anyone has any adequate information at this point to call poop on anything one way or another.McPeachy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:30 amAgreed. He said / she said. He will lose in today's climate though - regardless.
Most confusing to me? She "pushed him away"? A f-word 300lb well conditioned DL, versus what, a 150lb maid? And she pushed him away? Hell, there were O lineman that couldn't do that this year, but she could? I call poop on that alone.
However, let's say a player simply tries to proposition a housekeeper at a team hotel on a game day on a team trip. This in and of itself with nothing further is not a criminal act but still in my mind would justify a player's suspension. I say this because quite often housekeepers in our country are persons with the background/education which lends itself to being taken advantage of. From a strictly moral perspective, I have issues trying to proposition the housekeeper because she might not understand her ability to decline as well as others might (she might think that her boss wants to make sure guests are happy). Add on top of this a team trip where the focus should be football, preparation and rest and I have a lot of concerns outside of the criminal realm.
Great post.GOWYO wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:47 amHey can you clarify the "climate" you're referring to? Do you mean our pervasive climate where many men still think they can intimidate or coerce women into what they want without repercussions, or the currently changing state of that climate where women (and men) are expressing disgust at the presumption that consent isn't really necessary? I mean, him simply kicking out the door stop is enough for me. In what world do you think that is okay?McPeachy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:30 amAgreed. He said / she said. He will lose in today's climate though - regardless.
Most confusing to me? She "pushed him away"? A f-word 300lb well conditioned DL, versus what, a 150lb maid? And she pushed him away? Hell, there were O lineman that couldn't do that this year, but she could? I call poop on that alone.