Anyone else tired of Matthew Shepard this Matthew Shepard that?
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:32 am
I hate how my hometown is dragged into all of this. It's not us who killed him. Geez.
I’m with you Lander. There is a lot more to the story that is forgotten or conveniently overlooked. Those aspects don’t fit the narrative being pushed.LanderPoke wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:32 am I hate how my hometown is dragged into all of this. It's not us who killed him. Geez.
Totally narative-driven.ZapPoke wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:54 amI’m with you Lander. There is a lot more to the story that is forgotten or conveniently overlooked. Those aspects don’t fit the narrative being pushed.LanderPoke wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:32 am I hate how my hometown is dragged into all of this. It's not us who killed him. Geez.
What's crazy is that it wasn't 'us' that killed him, instead, it was two fellow the deed, something that never gets mentioned.LanderPoke wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:32 am I hate how my hometown is dragged into all of this. It's not us who killed him. Geez.
It makes me mad bat because Laramie is about the most tolerant place on earth and we get branded as bigotsfromolwyoming wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:00 pm Lander, it happened here. I was here too for it. Facts are;
A brutal murder happened here in Laramie.
The only one that ever said anything on the killers being the deed has never been confirmed by anyone else, even the killers themselves.
While it does suck that our town had such a thing happen, it is best to remember it so it never happens again.
And while it may not seem like much to you, the simple acknowledgement of this, of it being so wrong and remembered, can actually give some hope to those struggling with their own the deed. That they won't have to be afraid for simply living in a place like Laramie.
Trying to bury it though, is not going to make things better. Just worse.LanderPoke wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:36 pmIt makes me mad bat because Laramie is about the most tolerant place on earth and we get branded as bigotsfromolwyoming wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:00 pm Lander, it happened here. I was here too for it. Facts are;
A brutal murder happened here in Laramie.
The only one that ever said anything on the killers being the deed has never been confirmed by anyone else, even the killers themselves.
While it does suck that our town had such a thing happen, it is best to remember it so it never happens again.
And while it may not seem like much to you, the simple acknowledgement of this, of it being so wrong and remembered, can actually give some hope to those struggling with their own the deed. That they won't have to be afraid for simply living in a place like Laramie.
http://kowb1290.com/matthew-shepards-mu ... ars-later/Asmodeanreborn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:14 pm Wait, who's branding Wyoming people bigots for the whole Shepard deal? Anytime I see it covered, a big deal is made about how Wyoming is unfriendly to the Westboro Baptists and how Wyoming as a whole is a "live and let live" state.
Wrong. HIs killers were gay as well, in fact, one of them, Aaron McKinney, engaged in the deed acts with Shepard many times.fromolwyoming wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:00 pm Lander, it happened here. I was here too for it. Facts are;
A brutal murder happened here in Laramie.
The only one that ever said anything on the killers being the deed has never been confirmed by anyone else, even the killers themselves.
While it does suck that our town had such a thing happen, it is best to remember it so it never happens again.
And while it may not seem like much to you, the simple acknowledgement of this, of it being so wrong and remembered, can actually give some hope to those struggling with their own the deed. That they won't have to be afraid for simply living in a place like Laramie.
Do you have a source for this?CasparMilquetoast wrote: ↑Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:58 pm Wrong. HIs killers were gay as well, in fact, one of them, Aaron McKinney, engaged in the deed acts with Shepard many times.
I hope you realize that The Book of Matt is more or less fiction, right?CasparMilquetoast wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:35 am Read The Book Of Matt, it was not and never was a crime motivated by a hatred of the deed, although, the media loves to spin it as such. Matt Shepard wasn't killed becuase he was light in the loafers.
I know this doesn't dispute why Matt was killed, but it would be nice to have a better source than a book that tried to make money off of making up a bunch of random junk.Police officials interviewed after Jimenez's book's publication disputed certain claims made in the book. Dave O'Malley, the Laramie police commander over the investigations division at the time of Shepard's murder, said Jimenez's claim that Shepard was "a methamphetamine kingpin is almost humorous. Someone that would buy into that certainly would believe almost anything they read." Rob Debree, lead sheriff's investigator at the time, said the book contains "factual errors and lies", and deemed Jimenez's claim that Shepard was a drug dealer "truly laughable".
Haha, what? You can disagree with the position of the book but its certainly not random junk. The book poses a viable and plausible explanation of why he was murdered. Why do you say its fiction and junk?Asmodeanreborn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:43 pmI hope you realize that The Book of Matt is more or less fiction, right?CasparMilquetoast wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:35 am Read The Book Of Matt, it was not and never was a crime motivated by a hatred of the deed, although, the media loves to spin it as such. Matt Shepard wasn't killed becuase he was light in the loafers.
I know this doesn't dispute why Matt was killed, but it would be nice to have a better source than a book that tried to make money off of making up a bunch of random junk.Police officials interviewed after Jimenez's book's publication disputed certain claims made in the book. Dave O'Malley, the Laramie police commander over the investigations division at the time of Shepard's murder, said Jimenez's claim that Shepard was "a methamphetamine kingpin is almost humorous. Someone that would buy into that certainly would believe almost anything they read." Rob Debree, lead sheriff's investigator at the time, said the book contains "factual errors and lies", and deemed Jimenez's claim that Shepard was a drug dealer "truly laughable".
Fair enough. Can't say I disagree with your logic other than that I can't imagine he would make a leap like that without something to corroborate it.Asmodeanreborn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:29 pm I mean, it's a pretty huge claim to make that Shepard was a major meth dealer in Laramie. When you make that kind of accusation, you better be able to somehow back it up, especially when local law enforcement investigators (who certainly would've noticed a change after a major player's death) call it ridiculous.
Once again, I am not saying it was a hate crime, but when you make those kinds of claims (in the book) without proof, it throws a lot of uncertainty on all your other claims as well.
Sounds like something that was said quite a bit in the senate this past month...Asmodeanreborn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:29 pm
Once again, I am not saying it was a hate crime, but when you make those kinds of claims (in the book) without proof, it throws a lot of uncertainty on all your other claims as well.
Agreed...way too many people in this country point their fingers at "the other side" without looking at themselves first, a LOT of hypocrites out there on both sides.'PokeForLife wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:12 pmSounds like something that was said quite a bit in the senate this past month...Asmodeanreborn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:29 pm
Once again, I am not saying it was a hate crime, but when you make those kinds of claims (in the book) without proof, it throws a lot of uncertainty on all your other claims as well.
Not trying to derail the conversation, I just find it comical how people can use the "you can't make an accusation without proof" argument when it suits them and then simultaneously toss it aside when it is inconvenient to their story.
Obviously people on both sides of the aisle do that, which should never be the case. I just wonder how many people notice that they do.