Asmodeanreborn
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laxwyo said:I can barely think of a 3 star recruit for us that’s done dick shit
Josh Allen.
laxwyo said:I can barely think of a 3 star recruit for us that’s done dick shit
calpoke25 said:You’re cherry picking a few examples. Yeah some guys had other offers but I’m talking the recruiting as a whole. As a whole we’ve been ranked very low.
Asmodeanreborn said:laxwyo said:I can barely think of a 3 star recruit for us that’s done dick shit
Josh Allen.
SDPokeFan said:Nope. I’d rather all you were right. I can just see things for what they are I guess.laxwyo said:SDPokeFan said:I hope they change coordinators so when you’re wrong I can come on here and run you off this board.LanderPoke said:you don’t understand jack about football if you don’t think the players are being held back.SDPokeFan said:Changing coordinators isn't going to make any of the offensive players any better. Not one of them would start on another MWC team outside of Nico.LanderPoke said:This tells me that the staff is utterly incapable of identifying a problem and implementing adjustments. Completely and totally out coached. sad. Fire themPokes fan 24-7 said:Points Scored Opponent
29 New Mexico State
19 Washington State
13 Missouri
17 Wofford
14 Boise
13 Hawaii
3 Fresno
The shitty part of this is our offense has steadily been getting worse. It's like they have packed it in. This says allot about the coaching. The defense has still been playing hard. It's a disgrace.
You’re too much of an asshat to run anyone off the board. I think you like Wyoming losing because you can say, “I told you so”.
laxwyo said:Asmodeanreborn said:laxwyo said:I can barely think of a 3 star recruit for us that’s done dick shit
Josh Allen.
Josh was a 3 star with an EMU offer. Any others? Seems like a lot of our 3 star wash out.
Bowl games plural?laxwyo said:SDPokeFan said:Nope. I’d rather all you were right. I can just see things for what they are I guess.laxwyo said:SDPokeFan said:I hope they change coordinators so when you’re wrong I can come on here and run you off this board.LanderPoke said:you don’t understand jack about football if you don’t think the players are being held back.SDPokeFan said:Changing coordinators isn't going to make any of the offensive players any better. Not one of them would start on another MWC team outside of Nico.LanderPoke said:This tells me that the staff is utterly incapable of identifying a problem and implementing adjustments. Completely and totally out coached. sad. Fire themPokes fan 24-7 said:Points Scored Opponent
29 New Mexico State
19 Washington State
13 Missouri
17 Wofford
14 Boise
13 Hawaii
3 Fresno
The shitty part of this is our offense has steadily been getting worse. It's like they have packed it in. This says allot about the coaching. The defense has still been playing hard. It's a disgrace.
You’re too much of an asshat to run anyone off the board. I think you like Wyoming losing because you can say, “I told you so”.
Except when we’re winning bowl games and you call our defense a bunch of pussies after a loss?
Asmodeanreborn said:laxwyo said:Asmodeanreborn said:laxwyo said:I can barely think of a 3 star recruit for us that’s done dick shit
Josh Allen.
Josh was a 3 star with an EMU offer. Any others? Seems like a lot of our 3 star wash out.
Well, like I mentioned in my previous post, Vigen's been in charge of a very large percentage of our recent 3 star recruits, including Smith. Allen's really the exception.
Our other coaches have been able to do way more with less talent.
laxwyo said:Asmodeanreborn said:laxwyo said:Asmodeanreborn said:laxwyo said:I can barely think of a 3 star recruit for us that’s done dick shit
Josh Allen.
Josh was a 3 star with an EMU offer. Any others? Seems like a lot of our 3 star wash out.
Well, like I mentioned in my previous post, Vigen's been in charge of a very large percentage of our recent 3 star recruits, including Smith. Allen's really the exception.
Our other coaches have been able to do way more with less talent.
I don’t think there’s any difference between 2 and 3 star recruit. Nick Smith was a 3 as well. 4 star is different. Boise gets them. We don’t
specialteamsguru said:laxwyo said:Asmodeanreborn said:laxwyo said:Asmodeanreborn said:laxwyo said:I can barely think of a 3 star recruit for us that’s done dick shit
Josh Allen.
Josh was a 3 star with an EMU offer. Any others? Seems like a lot of our 3 star wash out.
Well, like I mentioned in my previous post, Vigen's been in charge of a very large percentage of our recent 3 star recruits, including Smith. Allen's really the exception.
Our other coaches have been able to do way more with less talent.
I don’t think there’s any difference between 2 and 3 star recruit. Nick Smith was a 3 as well. 4 star is different. Boise gets them. We don’t
Boise's 4 stars aren't the differentiator. It's player development of the 2 & 3 star players
In 2014 Boise got 2 4 stars- they red shirted one and the other got dismissed from the team
In 2015 Rypien was their only 4 star
In 2016 Boise got no 4 or 5 star recruits
In 2017 Boise got one 4 star recruit a DB- they redshirted and he isn't visible on their depth chart yet
In 2018 Boise got a TE that didn't red shirt, but has no stats this year yet
That's 5 four star recruits since 2014 and only one has made an early significant impact.
Vigen and the offensive staff has had FBS size and speed within the skill positions that came to Laramie with greater stats and physical attributes than they have all ever coached, save Wentz. Speaking of Wentz, the fact that he remained on the bench at NDSU behind Brock speaks to their collective lack of talent development and recognition. Hurts at Alabama giving up time to Tagovailoa is what coaches do when they recognize talent and are serious about making 'changes'.
Smith is a big brain that knows the offense. He should be sharing time at QB. TVW hasn't fully developed yet, and it's not clear if he even has the green light to audible. If he doesn't..it's a true coaching shame. If he does have that power, it's a shame that it's not been demonstrated effectively. Especially when the box is so frequently stacked against us.
If Bohl so loves Vigen, and is hitching his Wyo wagon to "Mr. Waste First Down", the least he could do to demonstrate change for the rest of the season is fire his own kid from the staff.
specialteamsguru said:Boise's 4 stars aren't the differentiator. It's player development of the 2 & 3 star players
In 2014 Boise got 2 4 stars- they red shirted one and the other got dismissed from the team
In 2015 Rypien was their only 4 star
In 2016 Boise got no 4 or 5 star recruits
In 2017 Boise got one 4 star recruit a DB- they redshirted and he isn't visible on their depth chart yet
In 2018 Boise got a TE that didn't red shirt, but has no stats this year yet
That's 5 four star recruits since 2014 and only one has made an early significant impact.
Vigen and the offensive staff has had FBS size and speed within the skill positions that came to Laramie with greater stats and physical attributes than they have all ever coached, save Wentz. Speaking of Wentz, the fact that he remained on the bench at NDSU behind Brock speaks to their collective lack of talent development and recognition. Hurts at Alabama giving up time to Tagovailoa is what coaches do when they recognize talent and are serious about making 'changes'.
Smith is a big brain that knows the offense. He should be sharing time at QB. TVW hasn't fully developed yet, and it's not clear if he even has the green light to audible. If he doesn't..it's a true coaching shame. If he does have that power, it's a shame that it's not been demonstrated effectively. Especially when the box is so frequently stacked against us.
If Bohl so loves Vigen, and is hitching his Wyo wagon to "Mr. Waste First Down", the least he could do to demonstrate change for the rest of the season is fire his own kid from the staff.
specialteamsguru said:Smith is a big brain that knows the offense. He should be sharing time at QB. TVW hasn't fully developed yet, and it's not clear if he even has the green light to audible. If he doesn't..it's a true coaching shame. If he does have that power, it's a shame that it's not been demonstrated effectively. Especially when the box is so frequently stacked against us.
From your lips to God's ears... :rofl:SDPokeFan said:Nope. I’d rather all you were right. I can just see things for what they are I guess.laxwyo said:SDPokeFan said:I hope they change coordinators so when you’re wrong I can come on here and run you off this board.LanderPoke said:you don’t understand jack about football if you don’t think the players are being held back.SDPokeFan said:Changing coordinators isn't going to make any of the offensive players any better. Not one of them would start on another MWC team outside of Nico.LanderPoke said:This tells me that the staff is utterly incapable of identifying a problem and implementing adjustments. Completely and totally out coached. sad. Fire themPokes fan 24-7 said:Points Scored Opponent
29 New Mexico State
19 Washington State
13 Missouri
17 Wofford
14 Boise
13 Hawaii
3 Fresno
The shitty part of this is our offense has steadily been getting worse. It's like they have packed it in. This says allot about the coaching. The defense has still been playing hard. It's a disgrace.
You’re too much of an asshat to run anyone off the board. I think you like Wyoming losing because you can say, “I told you so”.
Asmodeanreborn said:calpoke25 said:You’re cherry picking a few examples. Yeah some guys had other offers but I’m talking the recruiting as a whole. As a whole we’ve been ranked very low.
I'm actually not cherry picking - I'm pointing out the (almost) only positions where we've been able to recruit three star talent who other schools were after. If you look at our entire roster, WR and QB is where almost all our 3 star guys are (Overstreet was one too, and I do think he had talent, but the busted knee set him back quite a bit, and then once he finally started breaking out, he got hurt again and called it quits).
In other words, if we have two positions where recruiting services claim we have ALL our talent, shouldn't those be the positions where we actually see results on the field?!
I still think this all points to Vigen, whether we're talking lack of development or actual play calling.
Asmodeanreborn said:We definitely don't get many highly ranked offensive linemen. I think we were close to getting one, and then he changed his commitment after Nebraska offered him? Or was that not a lineman?
wyoair said:Asmodeanreborn said:We definitely don't get many highly ranked offensive linemen. I think we were close to getting one, and then he changed his commitment after Nebraska offered him? Or was that not a lineman?
I believe it was David Engelhaupt 2* TE. Decomitted from UW the day prior to NSD and signed with Nebraska. Not “highly” rated but good talent. He’s also no longer on the team.
Asmodeanreborn said:wyoair said:Asmodeanreborn said:We definitely don't get many highly ranked offensive linemen. I think we were close to getting one, and then he changed his commitment after Nebraska offered him? Or was that not a lineman?
I believe it was David Engelhaupt 2* TE. Decomitted from UW the day prior to NSD and signed with Nebraska. Not “highly” rated but good talent. He’s also no longer on the team.
Ah, yep. I was just really annoyed, but sounds like maybe we didn't actually lose anything after all?
yopaulie said:I think Bohl and OL coach Fuchs think they can build and develop o linemen. But what's really weird to me in year 5, is how many underclassmen, especially freshmen, are starting on the line. Never saw more than 1, and usually an upcoming star, while they were at NDSU. They've really missed the mark so far.