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The Equality State is becoming more Equal.

fromolwyoming

fromolwyoming

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I know it hasn't been leading headlines in much, but, and I quote from the Boomerang," Yesterday, a Federal Judge issued an order striking down Wyoming's long standing law banning same-sex marriage. But the unions won't be allowed until 5pm Thursday or when the state formally notifies the court it will not appeal the ruling."

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I guess this means what's his face, the guy that calls himself Doc Holiday on here, won't be staying in Wyoming much longer considering his views on gays.
 
Hard for me to comment on the subject, I was raised in a different generation and I hold different values.
 
My view is, if it's not hurting anyone (and since it won't be illegal), I don't really care. A person's business is their own. And if they want to marry the person that they love, I won't stop them.
 
fromolwyoming said:
My view is, if it's not hurting anyone (and since it won't be illegal), I don't really care. A person's business is their own. And if they want to marry the person that they love, I won't stop them.
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I can understand and appreciate that view point, I try to stay away from these type of topics. Sometimes I think even thought I spent 90% of my life in Rock Springs before moving out the values my parents carried were from a much different view since they were both from down south.

TBH not sure if I really care when it comes right down to it but I've put my foot in my mouth once or twice in these topics lol.
 
If women can get married on millionaire match maker, two people that actually love each other should be able to get married.
 
laxwyo said:
If women can get married on millionaire match maker (or the bachelor, bachelorette, or any other of those lame assed reality shows), two people that actually love each other should be able to get married.
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McPeachy said:
laxwyo said:
If women can get married on millionaire match maker (or the bachelor, bachelorette, or any other of those lame assed reality shows), two people that actually love each other should be able to get married.
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+1 billion

I have a friend who was my boss at a museum I volunteer at who's very anti-gay marriage. He thinks we'll all pay for this somehow. Thinks that it's against God's Law or something like it's more important than the Constitution. :roll: My opinion of his thoughts....blow it outta your rear end, twerp!!!!

He thinks after Obama leaves that gay marriage ban will go back into effect everywhere. I can't see it cos the only way that could happen is with a Constitutional Amendment and I honestly can't see that getting approved by 2/3ths of both houses AND 3/4ths of ALL the states.
 
Momentum is swinging in favor, not against. Once people have marriage certificates in all 50 states , the Supreme Court wouldn't even consider revoking a privilege if they ever decided to hear the case.
 
laxwyo said:
Momentum is swinging in favor, not against. Once people have marriage certificates in all 50 states , the Supreme Court wouldn't even consider revoking a privilege if they ever decided to hear the case.
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Good comments (this post and your earlier post in the thread). I agree 100%.

I could understand arguments against having a government-sanctioned marital status (I would disagree for a number of reasons, but that is a separate topic), but as long as such a status exists, I see no basis to restrict access to that status to Americans based on their sexual orientation.

From a big picture perspective, I look around at some of the significant social ills facing our country and the decline of the two parent households plays a large role IMO. I think there is pretty clear evidence that children who grow up in single parent households (particularly where the non-resident parent is completely out of the picture) have a high risk for negative outcomes. We should encourage the formation of strong families and that includes allowing same sex couples to marry and raise children within a legally sanctioned union.
 
Interesting thought I had about this topic...

10 years from now, after there is a decent amount of time to evaluate things, will the divorce rates of same-sex marriages equal the divorce rates of opposite-sex marriages?
 
Wyokie said:
McPeachy said:
laxwyo said:
If women can get married on millionaire match maker (or the bachelor, bachelorette, or any other of those lame assed reality shows), two people that actually love each other should be able to get married.
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FIFY
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+1 billion

I have a friend who was my boss at a museum I volunteer at who's very anti-gay marriage. He thinks we'll all pay for this somehow. Thinks that it's against God's Law or something like it's more important than the Constitution. :roll: My opinion of his thoughts....blow it outta your rear end, twerp!!!!

He thinks after Obama leaves that gay marriage ban will go back into effect everywhere. I can't see it cos the only way that could happen is with a Constitutional Amendment and I honestly can't see that getting approved by 2/3ths of both houses AND 3/4ths of ALL the states.
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Being a Christian, I believe it is a sin. The bible straight up explains this, new and old test.
But the church body has always slowly accepted more and more sin into the church because something or another was becoming more culturally acceptable. Churches vote issues into the church to keep peace and numbers. Which is wrong on the church leaders and congregants parts. I have no problem telling a homosexual that their belief is wrong and sinful, but let them know that I care for them just the same. Judging the sin, not the individual. We are a culture that allows more and more immorality in our society that we become used to it and then say it's culturally acceptable.
We see churches with more and more divorced pastors, deacons and elders, when these people were supposed to be living at a higher standard. We see more and more unbiblical beliefs being practiced and preached in churches to the point churches are changing their doctrine. And I'm sick of holding myself to a higher standard and then having people tell me that I'm just bigoted and egocentric. It couldn't be further from the truth. But Christ did say that the world hated him before it hated me, meaning I will be hated on for not conforming to a "cultural norm".
 
I don't think gay marriage is right, but that is no excuse to ever be rude, demeaning, nasty, disparaging or hateful toward any homosexual.
 
NowherePoke said:
From a big picture perspective, I look around at some of the significant social ills facing our country and the decline of the two parent households plays a large role IMO. I think there is pretty clear evidence that children who grow up in single parent households (particularly where the non-resident parent is completely out of the picture) have a high risk for negative outcomes. We should encourage the formation of strong families and that includes allowing same sex couples to marry and raise children within a legally sanctioned union.
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There are some really interesting studies out there attempting to address this particular subject. One suprising finding is that there has only been one variable that has correlated well with predicting future outcomes. Any guesses as to what it might be? The answer is household income. Of course, most single parent households tend to be single mothers with limited income, which explains the trend for poorer outcomes for children raised in single parent households. Interestingly, most children raised in high income households by single parents do just as well as income matched double parent households.
 
TheRealUW said:
NowherePoke said:
From a big picture perspective, I look around at some of the significant social ills facing our country and the decline of the two parent households plays a large role IMO. I think there is pretty clear evidence that children who grow up in single parent households (particularly where the non-resident parent is completely out of the picture) have a high risk for negative outcomes. We should encourage the formation of strong families and that includes allowing same sex couples to marry and raise children within a legally sanctioned union.
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There are some really interesting studies out there attempting to address this particular subject. One suprising finding is that there has only been one variable that has correlated well with predicting future outcomes. Any guesses as to what it might be? The answer is household income. Of course, most single parent households tend to be single mothers with limited income, which explains the trend for poorer outcomes for children raised in single parent households. Interestingly, most children raised in high income households by single parents do just as well as income matched double parent households.
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It is definitely an interesting topic, because it all circles back around. While outcomes improve with HHI, marriage rates (up) and divorce rates (down) also improve with HHI. All of those correlate.

One of the pieces of information that is difficult at times to discern with some of the more readily available general population statistics is the level of involvement/support from the the non-resident parent in single parent households. There is obviously a world of difference between a single mother raising children with zero financial or child rearing support from an absentee father and a single mother raising children when the father is active in the children's lives and provides financial support for the child even if they aren't married to the mother.
 
WYO_Fan_inPA said:
ragtimejoe1 said:
I think it brings into question the role of government in marriage altogether.
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And that is solely for tax purposes, when one thinks about it, no?
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Not really, actually a lot of times there is a "marriage penalty" in terms of tax rates. There are other financial and logistical benefits though, including how estates are handled, social security/disability/military benefits, information disclosure, FMLA impacts, insurance eligibility, etc.
 
WYO_Fan_inPA said:
ragtimejoe1 said:
I think it brings into question the role of government in marriage altogether.
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And that is solely for tax purposes, when one thinks about it, no?
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Nowhere lined it out pretty well. I think the term marriage generates a lot of emotion regarding this debate.
 
Good point, nowhere. :thumb:

I'm with you guys about the discussing of marriage and equality... it can create heated discussions. Though one would think in a state like WY, the opinions are tilted in one direction.
 
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