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laxwyo wrote:Not too long ago, Trump received an award from rev Jesse Jackson. I cannot or haven't heard a single thing he's said that would classify as racists towards black people.


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or against gays
Except for opposing same sex marriage???? (If that was sarcasm, ignore this post)
of course, so did hillary until a couple of years ago
Funny Obama said he was against same sex marriage when he was president but must of changed his mind as his terms went on


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laxwyo wrote:
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laxwyo wrote:Not too long ago, Trump received an award from rev Jesse Jackson. I cannot or haven't heard a single thing he's said that would classify as racists towards black people.


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or against gays
Except for opposing same sex marriage???? (If that was sarcasm, ignore this post)
of course, so did hillary until a couple of years ago
Funny Obama said he was against same sex marriage when he was president but must of changed his mind as his terms went on


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When I was younger I didn't really support it either, but as my views and opinions evolved, I came to the mindset that if two people love each other, who is the government or anyone else to stand in their way or say they can't be married like other people.

I would rather have a President that is open to learning and absorbing information and changing their viewpoint (what some call flip-flopping), than a President that bullishly sticks to their opinion despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary....*cough* *cough* global warming *cough* *cough*....
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WestWYOPoke wrote:
laxwyo wrote:
whyoh wrote:
WestWYOPoke wrote:
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laxwyo wrote:Not too long ago, Trump received an award from rev Jesse Jackson. I cannot or haven't heard a single thing he's said that would classify as racists towards black people.


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or against gays
Except for opposing same sex marriage???? (If that was sarcasm, ignore this post)
of course, so did hillary until a couple of years ago
Funny Obama said he was against same sex marriage when he was president but must of changed his mind as his terms went on


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When I was younger I didn't really support it either, but as my views and opinions evolved, I came to the mindset that if two people love each other, who is the government or anyone else to stand in their way or say they can't be married like other people.

I would rather have a President that is open to learning and absorbing information and changing their viewpoint (what some call flip-flopping), than a President that bullishly sticks to their opinion despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary....*cough* *cough* global warming *cough* *cough*....
My meteorology lab TA told me in college that it was [#]sh#t. He said if it's warmer and ice and Sh#t is melting then oceans will evaporate more water and the clouds created would prevent suns rays from penetrating.

I think most people didn't vote FOR Trump but rather against Hillary. Most politicians are spineless, I'm sure he'll sail on the winds of the public just as obama did

I was also against same sex marriage etc when I was younger but as you meet people, have family members come out. Things change
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Actually, Clinton won the popular vote. Trump won the electoral college.
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Just my $0.02 on all of this....

First off, I'm straight but I do support gay marriage/rights (what two people regardless of sex do in their bedroom is NO ONE ELSE'S business..just their's). Secondly I voted for Trump.

I've been seeing how a lot of gays on youtube going nutso over the fact Trump won thinking he'll change things to where gay rights/marriage are gone again. I understand that fear however.....

The Supreme Court has said that gay rights/marriage is allowed in all 50 states. The ONLY way the government can take away those rights is thru a constitutional amendment which is extremely hard to do. You need 2/3rds majority in BOTH houses of Congress AND 38 out of 50 States to say yes to the amendment which I don't see coming.

Same goes for those who wants the Electoral College to be eliminated and just have a popular vote. Our founding fathers knew that a true democracy would never work (history has shown that time after time). The Electoral College was put in to make sure that everyone's voice is heard (Wyoming's voice is as important as say California's). And to keep voter fraud from happening on a large scale if at all.

All Hillary woulda done had she won was sit on her butt and getting a proclamation done to make sure she could never go to jail for the email mess she's still in and not do anything else to make this country better.

Let's ALL stop bitching about the election results and work together to us outta this mess. Trump might shockingly surprise us all and be a good President.
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I think it should be fair game to protest either of the TWO MOST HATED CANDIDATES OF ALL TIME. I mean do I even need to repeat that? Our "democracy" is ruled by only the most elite f##k[#]. Doesn't it ever strike anyone that someone who isn't filthy f##k[#] rich or connected to that class can't be president? It's a swamp alright and it's always gonna be filled with crocodiles. Heard Bernie Sanders tax return came in and showed almost 200 K, thanks for sabotaging that guy Hilldawg :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff: That's the last thing I needed was someone even remotely close to my class status having A SHOT at any real power in this country.
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Cosmic Cowboy wrote:I think it should be fair game to protest either of the TWO MOST HATED CANDIDATES OF ALL TIME. I mean do I even need to repeat that? Our "democracy" is ruled by only the most elite f##k[#]. Doesn't it ever strike anyone that someone who isn't filthy f##k[#] rich or connected to that class can't be president? It's a swamp alright and it's always gonna be filled with crocodiles. Heard Bernie Sanders tax return came in and showed almost 200 K, thanks for sabotaging that guy Hilldawg :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff: That's the last thing I needed was someone even remotely close to my class status having A SHOT at any real power in this country.

But...but...but...he wants socialized healthcare, so he's basically a socialist, and socialism is kinda related to communism, so he's basically a communist, and communists are the devil, ipso facto, he's basically the devil...right...right???
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WestWYOPoke wrote:
Cosmic Cowboy wrote:I think it should be fair game to protest either of the TWO MOST HATED CANDIDATES OF ALL TIME. I mean do I even need to repeat that? Our "democracy" is ruled by only the most elite f##k[#]. Doesn't it ever strike anyone that someone who isn't filthy f##k[#] rich or connected to that class can't be president? It's a swamp alright and it's always gonna be filled with crocodiles. Heard Bernie Sanders tax return came in and showed almost 200 K, thanks for sabotaging that guy Hilldawg :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff: That's the last thing I needed was someone even remotely close to my class status having A SHOT at any real power in this country.

But...but...but...he wants socialized healthcare, so he's basically a socialist, and socialism is kinda related to communism, so he's basically a communist, and communists are the devil, ipso facto, he's basically the devil...right...right???
Oh he's the goddamn devil alright because he's close to being a normal person. He wanted to go after the big banks that f##k[#] us all and the corporations tied to all of this corrupt [#]sh#t. I'm sure they would've bumped him off. I mean it's absolutely clear they did everything they could to not give him any shot at all. The Democrats Ha ahaha, they make me f##k[#] sick :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
All of them are so bought and paid for. Now the puppet master is in charge.....great. Let's nuke the planet! We don't need it anyway. :grenade:
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Oh here's Trump's rad cabinet short list

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016 ... v=top-news

WOW what an outsider. He's only gonna bring in lifelong career republican politicians into the mix. Nice! Wait is that Sarah Palin in charge of public lands and water????? In charge of our energy policy???? I might as well just grab a cup of toxic sludge now and start guzzling. At least we'll have more money in our pockets......or will we :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: Funny to have so many of George W's guys on their after talking all that hot air about him. Hey everyone calm down......... :willybs: :willybs: :willybs: :willybs:

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McPeachy wrote: Further, will the excuse of "cleaning up a previous administrations sh#t[#]" be afforded Trump & his cabinet, when looking at his scope of work, as to why he may / may not be effective in office (if that can even be measured any longer)? You know...he is following 8 years of Obama, he can't possibly fix "the mess" in 4 years, right? Oh my. LOL!
Unemployment at its lowest rate in decades, stock market at an all-time high, gasoline cheaper than it was for the last 10 years, no true ongoing wars (I.E. excessive numbers of troops on the ground), GDP growth significantly increased...yeah, he really burned this country to the ground.

And before you throw out the whole US debt argument, he didn't increase it (as a percentage) nearly as much as Bush 2 did.

In all seriousness, I am not a huge fan of Obamacare either, it doesn't affect me much, but there are others that it hurts, so if some changes can occur I'm all for it as I think everyone needs access to health insurance. I personally am of the mind that insurance companies should not be allowed to turn a profit.

And no, I am not a Democrat
Here's Obamas numbers, not really so good.


62.8%: Labor Force Participation Has Hovered Near 37-Year low,
63.7 Homeownership rate lowest in 25 years
13 million more Americans have become dependent on food stamps, with the numbers now hitting a record 47 million — about a third more than when he was sworn in. In 2007, there were 26 million recipients,
Unemployment rate of over 10% (double that for blacks under Obama) Unemployment rate for black teens is 3X worse at 31.5%,
The poverty rate for blacks increased from 12 percent in 2008 to 16.1 percent,
Median income down 3.6 percent for white households and fell 10.9 percent for black households,
Obamacare is a mess with many insurance companies losing money and dropping participation in the program



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McPeachy wrote: Further, will the excuse of "cleaning up a previous administrations sh#t[#]" be afforded Trump & his cabinet, when looking at his scope of work, as to why he may / may not be effective in office (if that can even be measured any longer)? You know...he is following 8 years of Obama, he can't possibly fix "the mess" in 4 years, right? Oh my. LOL!
Unemployment at its lowest rate in decades, stock market at an all-time high, gasoline cheaper than it was for the last 10 years, no true ongoing wars (I.E. excessive numbers of troops on the ground), GDP growth significantly increased...yeah, he really burned this country to the ground.

And before you throw out the whole US debt argument, he didn't increase it (as a percentage) nearly as much as Bush 2 did.

In all seriousness, I am not a huge fan of Obamacare either, it doesn't affect me much, but there are others that it hurts, so if some changes can occur I'm all for it as I think everyone needs access to health insurance. I personally am of the mind that insurance companies should not be allowed to turn a profit.

And no, I am not a Democrat
Here's the thing about gas prices.

Obama has been an obstructionist regarding development of fossil fuels. Obama and any other liberal all believe in global warming, oops now its climate change, and believes it's created because we are burning gasoline. So if that is what they really believe, wouldn't it make sense that Obama would prefer gas was $6.00 a gallon. Obama opposed the Keystone, as well as the DAPL, and has made it more difficult to get permits to drill for oil. Additionally, he has restricted off shore development. The oil developed in North Dakota, in large part, is on private land, which means Obama could neither approve or deny development. Obama has done nothing to lower gasoline prices. Hell, look what he's done to coal.


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Poke-proud wrote:
WestWYOPoke wrote:
McPeachy wrote: Further, will the excuse of "cleaning up a previous administrations sh#t[#]" be afforded Trump & his cabinet, when looking at his scope of work, as to why he may / may not be effective in office (if that can even be measured any longer)? You know...he is following 8 years of Obama, he can't possibly fix "the mess" in 4 years, right? Oh my. LOL!
Unemployment at its lowest rate in decades, stock market at an all-time high, gasoline cheaper than it was for the last 10 years, no true ongoing wars (I.E. excessive numbers of troops on the ground), GDP growth significantly increased...yeah, he really burned this country to the ground.

And before you throw out the whole US debt argument, he didn't increase it (as a percentage) nearly as much as Bush 2 did.

In all seriousness, I am not a huge fan of Obamacare either, it doesn't affect me much, but there are others that it hurts, so if some changes can occur I'm all for it as I think everyone needs access to health insurance. I personally am of the mind that insurance companies should not be allowed to turn a profit.

And no, I am not a Democrat
Here's Obamas numbers, not really so good.


62.8%: Labor Force Participation Has Hovered Near 37-Year low,
63.7 Homeownership rate lowest in 25 years
13 million more Americans have become dependent on food stamps, with the numbers now hitting a record 47 million — about a third more than when he was sworn in. In 2007, there were 26 million recipients,
Unemployment rate of over 10% (double that for blacks under Obama) Unemployment rate for black teens is 3X worse at 31.5%,
The poverty rate for blacks increased from 12 percent in 2008 to 16.1 percent,
Median income down 3.6 percent for white households and fell 10.9 percent for black households,
Obamacare is a mess with many insurance companies losing money and dropping participation in the program



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+1. This doesn't bother you Obama and Hillary supporters? We (the middle class) are poorer. More people that don't work are taking your hard-earned money while you go to work every day. Food stamp recipients have sky rocketed. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd like $600 extra bucks to buy food with per month.

I'm tired of supporting people that don't need or deserve it. Encouraging charitable giving should be a bigger thing. This is coming from a guys that gives a lot to charity.
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WestWYOPoke wrote:
McPeachy wrote: Further, will the excuse of "cleaning up a previous administrations sh#t[#]" be afforded Trump & his cabinet, when looking at his scope of work, as to why he may / may not be effective in office (if that can even be measured any longer)? You know...he is following 8 years of Obama, he can't possibly fix "the mess" in 4 years, right? Oh my. LOL!
Unemployment at its lowest rate in decades, stock market at an all-time high, gasoline cheaper than it was for the last 10 years, no true ongoing wars (I.E. excessive numbers of troops on the ground), GDP growth significantly increased...yeah, he really burned this country to the ground.

And before you throw out the whole US debt argument, he didn't increase it (as a percentage) nearly as much as Bush 2 did.

In all seriousness, I am not a huge fan of Obamacare either, it doesn't affect me much, but there are others that it hurts, so if some changes can occur I'm all for it as I think everyone needs access to health insurance. I personally am of the mind that insurance companies should not be allowed to turn a profit.

And no, I am not a Democrat
That's what I am talking about. Great response, and post.

Although I would counter by saying right off the top of my head, that during the Obama tenure the USA also suffered through some of the highest gas prices ever on record.

I was not / am not a fan of either candidate (and can't believe a country of more than 300 million people had these 2 choices)...and although a republican, have voted democrat numerous times (especially when it came to some past Wyoming governors).
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McPeachy wrote:
WestWYOPoke wrote:
McPeachy wrote: Further, will the excuse of "cleaning up a previous administrations sh#t[#]" be afforded Trump & his cabinet, when looking at his scope of work, as to why he may / may not be effective in office (if that can even be measured any longer)? You know...he is following 8 years of Obama, he can't possibly fix "the mess" in 4 years, right? Oh my. LOL!
Unemployment at its lowest rate in decades, stock market at an all-time high, gasoline cheaper than it was for the last 10 years, no true ongoing wars (I.E. excessive numbers of troops on the ground), GDP growth significantly increased...yeah, he really burned this country to the ground.

And before you throw out the whole US debt argument, he didn't increase it (as a percentage) nearly as much as Bush 2 did.

In all seriousness, I am not a huge fan of Obamacare either, it doesn't affect me much, but there are others that it hurts, so if some changes can occur I'm all for it as I think everyone needs access to health insurance. I personally am of the mind that insurance companies should not be allowed to turn a profit.

And no, I am not a Democrat
That's what I am talking about. Great response, and post.

Although I would counter by saying right off the top of my head, that during the Obama tenure the USA also suffered through some of the highest gas prices ever on record.

I was not / am not a fan of either candidate (and can't believe a country of more than 300 million people had these 2 choices)...and although a republican, have voted democrat numerous times (especially when it came to some past Wyoming governors).
It's really not too difficult to figure out. We are tired of the establishment in Washington. Trump brings a refreshing change when he says he's going to drain the swamp. Whether he does remains to be seen, but personally Im tired of "Mr Smith going to Washington" and doing nothing. Here's a question, other than ego, why does Trump need the job - he makes more in a few weeks than what the job will pay, he doesn't need Air Force one - he has a jet, he has nice homes in many places so it isn't living in the White House, and he has access to many nice golf courses - he owns them. Could it be that he really believes he can make America great again!!!


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Poke-proud wrote:
McPeachy wrote:
WestWYOPoke wrote:
McPeachy wrote: Further, will the excuse of "cleaning up a previous administrations sh#t[#]" be afforded Trump & his cabinet, when looking at his scope of work, as to why he may / may not be effective in office (if that can even be measured any longer)? You know...he is following 8 years of Obama, he can't possibly fix "the mess" in 4 years, right? Oh my. LOL!
Unemployment at its lowest rate in decades, stock market at an all-time high, gasoline cheaper than it was for the last 10 years, no true ongoing wars (I.E. excessive numbers of troops on the ground), GDP growth significantly increased...yeah, he really burned this country to the ground.

And before you throw out the whole US debt argument, he didn't increase it (as a percentage) nearly as much as Bush 2 did.

In all seriousness, I am not a huge fan of Obamacare either, it doesn't affect me much, but there are others that it hurts, so if some changes can occur I'm all for it as I think everyone needs access to health insurance. I personally am of the mind that insurance companies should not be allowed to turn a profit.

And no, I am not a Democrat
That's what I am talking about. Great response, and post.

Although I would counter by saying right off the top of my head, that during the Obama tenure the USA also suffered through some of the highest gas prices ever on record.

I was not / am not a fan of either candidate (and can't believe a country of more than 300 million people had these 2 choices)...and although a republican, have voted democrat numerous times (especially when it came to some past Wyoming governors).
It's really not too difficult to figure out. We are tired of the establishment in Washington. Trump brings a refreshing change when he says he's going to drain the swamp. Whether he does remains to be seen, but personally Im tired of "Mr Smith going to Washington" and doing nothing. Here's a question, other than ego, why does Trump need the job - he makes more in a few weeks than what the job will pay, he doesn't need Air Force one - he has a jet, he has nice homes in many places so it isn't living in the White House, and he has access to many nice golf courses - he owns them. Could it be that he really believes he can make America great again!!!


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Your tired of the "establishment" and the guy you elected brings on some of the most establishment people in the GOP he can.
"Drain the swamp" when he''s helped fill it up. He's paid bribes, not paid anything in Federal Taxes in 20 years, businesses that he hired, he refused to pay them their dues and threatened to tie them up in court, and cost thousands of people their jobs. And that's not even getting into how he drove his (his father's) company into bankruptcy, 6 separate times.

As for your last part, that's actually pretty easy. It's to sell his brand. He's been doing that schtick since at least the 90s. This time, he just took it to politics. Commercials, guest appearances, The Apprentice, etc, was all to sell his brand. Even then, he could be doing it for what he perceives as a step up in power. And considering his background...

And already, he's backpedaling on several of the things people voted him in for. He's not gonna bury Obamacare, he's now iffy on prosecuting Clinton, and rather than unite people, he's brought in one of the most divisive people he could for his inner circle, short of David Duke himself.

So, yeah. There are plenty of issues with Trump, past and present. And that's not even touching on his surprise that minorities would feel threatened by the rhetoric he used since day 1.
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fromolwyoming wrote:
Poke-proud wrote:
McPeachy wrote:
WestWYOPoke wrote:
McPeachy wrote: Further, will the excuse of "cleaning up a previous administrations sh#t[#]" be afforded Trump & his cabinet, when looking at his scope of work, as to why he may / may not be effective in office (if that can even be measured any longer)? You know...he is following 8 years of Obama, he can't possibly fix "the mess" in 4 years, right? Oh my. LOL!
Unemployment at its lowest rate in decades, stock market at an all-time high, gasoline cheaper than it was for the last 10 years, no true ongoing wars (I.E. excessive numbers of troops on the ground), GDP growth significantly increased...yeah, he really burned this country to the ground.

And before you throw out the whole US debt argument, he didn't increase it (as a percentage) nearly as much as Bush 2 did.

In all seriousness, I am not a huge fan of Obamacare either, it doesn't affect me much, but there are others that it hurts, so if some changes can occur I'm all for it as I think everyone needs access to health insurance. I personally am of the mind that insurance companies should not be allowed to turn a profit.

And no, I am not a Democrat
That's what I am talking about. Great response, and post.

Although I would counter by saying right off the top of my head, that during the Obama tenure the USA also suffered through some of the highest gas prices ever on record.

I was not / am not a fan of either candidate (and can't believe a country of more than 300 million people had these 2 choices)...and although a republican, have voted democrat numerous times (especially when it came to some past Wyoming governors).
It's really not too difficult to figure out. We are tired of the establishment in Washington. Trump brings a refreshing change when he says he's going to drain the swamp. Whether he does remains to be seen, but personally Im tired of "Mr Smith going to Washington" and doing nothing. Here's a question, other than ego, why does Trump need the job - he makes more in a few weeks than what the job will pay, he doesn't need Air Force one - he has a jet, he has nice homes in many places so it isn't living in the White House, and he has access to many nice golf courses - he owns them. Could it be that he really believes he can make America great again!!!


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Your tired of the "establishment" and the guy you elected brings on some of the most establishment people in the GOP he can.
"Drain the swamp" when he''s helped fill it up. He's paid bribes, not paid anything in Federal Taxes in 20 years, businesses that he hired, he refused to pay them their dues and threatened to tie them up in court, and cost thousands of people their jobs. And that's not even getting into how he drove his (his father's) company into bankruptcy, 6 separate times.

As for your last part, that's actually pretty easy. It's to sell his brand. He's been doing that schtick since at least the 90s. This time, he just took it to politics. Commercials, guest appearances, The Apprentice, etc, was all to sell his brand. Even then, he could be doing it for what he perceives as a step up in power. And considering his background...

And already, he's backpedaling on several of the things people voted him in for. He's not gonna bury Obamacare, he's now iffy on prosecuting Clinton, and rather than unite people, he's brought in one of the most divisive people he could for his inner circle, short of David Duke himself.

So, yeah. There are plenty of issues with Trump, past and present. And that's not even touching on his surprise that minorities would feel threatened by the rhetoric he used since day 1.
+1000! Who doesn't want a Goldman Sachs guy in charge of the treasury??? I mean what dumbass doesn't think that's not a good idea? Wait I thought that's who paid off Hillary??? Wasn't that a problem? Could it be that they're STILL in control of this country???? AHaHAHAHA Bought and sold, bought and sold......cha ching. We know Obama had his big bank guys too, we know Hilldawg was tied to em, and now Trump is too. That's just part of all the f##k[#] up Sh#t going on. Just a piece but those bankers are BIG one. They pretty much control the world. I am mean really how was any New York billionaire not gonna be tied to Goldman Sachs?
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fromolwyoming wrote:
Poke-proud wrote:
McPeachy wrote:
WestWYOPoke wrote:
McPeachy wrote: Further, will the excuse of "cleaning up a previous administrations sh#t[#]" be afforded Trump & his cabinet, when looking at his scope of work, as to why he may / may not be effective in office (if that can even be measured any longer)? You know...he is following 8 years of Obama, he can't possibly fix "the mess" in 4 years, right? Oh my. LOL!
Unemployment at its lowest rate in decades, stock market at an all-time high, gasoline cheaper than it was for the last 10 years, no true ongoing wars (I.E. excessive numbers of troops on the ground), GDP growth significantly increased...yeah, he really burned this country to the ground.

And before you throw out the whole US debt argument, he didn't increase it (as a percentage) nearly as much as Bush 2 did.

In all seriousness, I am not a huge fan of Obamacare either, it doesn't affect me much, but there are others that it hurts, so if some changes can occur I'm all for it as I think everyone needs access to health insurance. I personally am of the mind that insurance companies should not be allowed to turn a profit.

And no, I am not a Democrat
That's what I am talking about. Great response, and post.

Although I would counter by saying right off the top of my head, that during the Obama tenure the USA also suffered through some of the highest gas prices ever on record.

I was not / am not a fan of either candidate (and can't believe a country of more than 300 million people had these 2 choices)...and although a republican, have voted democrat numerous times (especially when it came to some past Wyoming governors).
It's really not too difficult to figure out. We are tired of the establishment in Washington. Trump brings a refreshing change when he says he's going to drain the swamp. Whether he does remains to be seen, but personally Im tired of "Mr Smith going to Washington" and doing nothing. Here's a question, other than ego, why does Trump need the job - he makes more in a few weeks than what the job will pay, he doesn't need Air Force one - he has a jet, he has nice homes in many places so it isn't living in the White House, and he has access to many nice golf courses - he owns them. Could it be that he really believes he can make America great again!!!


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Your tired of the "establishment" and the guy you elected brings on some of the most establishment people in the GOP he can.
"Drain the swamp" when he''s helped fill it up. He's paid bribes, not paid anything in Federal Taxes in 20 years, businesses that he hired, he refused to pay them their dues and threatened to tie them up in court, and cost thousands of people their jobs. And that's not even getting into how he drove his (his father's) company into bankruptcy, 6 separate times.

As for your last part, that's actually pretty easy. It's to sell his brand. He's been doing that schtick since at least the 90s. This time, he just took it to politics. Commercials, guest appearances, The Apprentice, etc, was all to sell his brand. Even then, he could be doing it for what he perceives as a step up in power. And considering his background...

And already, he's backpedaling on several of the things people voted him in for. He's not gonna bury Obamacare, he's now iffy on prosecuting Clinton, and rather than unite people, he's brought in one of the most divisive people he could for his inner circle, short of David Duke himself.

So, yeah. There are plenty of issues with Trump, past and present. And that's not even touching on his surprise that minorities would feel threatened by the rhetoric he used since day 1.
So many thing wrong with your post.

To start he won - you lose. Cry or get over it.

I'll start with the simple ones - your gal, Hillary, George Soros puppet, lying corrupt 30 year "established" person. You go with that.

It would be a bit naive to believe anyone would go into a presidency and not have some people that understand the establishment. That said, which office was it Reince Preibus held, hmmmm was it in Congress or the Senate. Maybe you can answer that.

Again, you can't get much more establishment than 30 years of ole Hillbilly. How much would you trust her to have your back in Benghazi? But, "what difference does it make, there are 4 dead Americans"?

On to Trumps taxes. So do you take advantage of tax deductions available to you? Silly question, no why would you - that would be hypocritical, now wouldn't it. Did he do anything illegal. Wasn't it the law that he and any other business uses? Even George Soros someone you probably admire. Additionally, isn't any good business going to limit/reduce any cost they would pay, even tax? Oh forgot, except for yours - you would find ways to pay more I suppose. Your argument there is naive.

Here's the real tale, again defend this;


62.8%: Labor Force Participation Has Hovered Near 37-Year low,
63.7 Homeownership rate lowest in 25 years
13 million more Americans have become dependent on food stamps, with the numbers now hitting a record 47 million — about a third more than when he was sworn in. In 2007, there were 26 million recipients,
Unemployment rate of over 10% (double that for blacks under Obama) Unemployment rate for black teens is 3X worse at 31.5%,
The poverty rate for blacks increased from 12 percent in 2008 to 16.1 percent,
Median income down 3.6 percent for white households and fell 10.9 percent for black households,
Obamacare is a mess with many insurance companies losing money and dropping participation in the program





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Poke-proud wrote:
fromolwyoming wrote:
Poke-proud wrote:
McPeachy wrote:
WestWYOPoke wrote:
McPeachy wrote: Further, will the excuse of "cleaning up a previous administrations sh#t[#]" be afforded Trump & his cabinet, when looking at his scope of work, as to why he may / may not be effective in office (if that can even be measured any longer)? You know...he is following 8 years of Obama, he can't possibly fix "the mess" in 4 years, right? Oh my. LOL!
Unemployment at its lowest rate in decades, stock market at an all-time high, gasoline cheaper than it was for the last 10 years, no true ongoing wars (I.E. excessive numbers of troops on the ground), GDP growth significantly increased...yeah, he really burned this country to the ground.

And before you throw out the whole US debt argument, he didn't increase it (as a percentage) nearly as much as Bush 2 did.

In all seriousness, I am not a huge fan of Obamacare either, it doesn't affect me much, but there are others that it hurts, so if some changes can occur I'm all for it as I think everyone needs access to health insurance. I personally am of the mind that insurance companies should not be allowed to turn a profit.

And no, I am not a Democrat
That's what I am talking about. Great response, and post.

Although I would counter by saying right off the top of my head, that during the Obama tenure the USA also suffered through some of the highest gas prices ever on record.

I was not / am not a fan of either candidate (and can't believe a country of more than 300 million people had these 2 choices)...and although a republican, have voted democrat numerous times (especially when it came to some past Wyoming governors).
It's really not too difficult to figure out. We are tired of the establishment in Washington. Trump brings a refreshing change when he says he's going to drain the swamp. Whether he does remains to be seen, but personally Im tired of "Mr Smith going to Washington" and doing nothing. Here's a question, other than ego, why does Trump need the job - he makes more in a few weeks than what the job will pay, he doesn't need Air Force one - he has a jet, he has nice homes in many places so it isn't living in the White House, and he has access to many nice golf courses - he owns them. Could it be that he really believes he can make America great again!!!


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Your tired of the "establishment" and the guy you elected brings on some of the most establishment people in the GOP he can.
"Drain the swamp" when he''s helped fill it up. He's paid bribes, not paid anything in Federal Taxes in 20 years, businesses that he hired, he refused to pay them their dues and threatened to tie them up in court, and cost thousands of people their jobs. And that's not even getting into how he drove his (his father's) company into bankruptcy, 6 separate times.

As for your last part, that's actually pretty easy. It's to sell his brand. He's been doing that schtick since at least the 90s. This time, he just took it to politics. Commercials, guest appearances, The Apprentice, etc, was all to sell his brand. Even then, he could be doing it for what he perceives as a step up in power. And considering his background...

And already, he's backpedaling on several of the things people voted him in for. He's not gonna bury Obamacare, he's now iffy on prosecuting Clinton, and rather than unite people, he's brought in one of the most divisive people he could for his inner circle, short of David Duke himself.

So, yeah. There are plenty of issues with Trump, past and present. And that's not even touching on his surprise that minorities would feel threatened by the rhetoric he used since day 1.
So many thing wrong with your post.

To start he won - you lose. Cry or get over it.

I'll start with the simple ones - your gal, Hillary, George Soros puppet, lying corrupt 30 year "established" person. You go with that.

It would be a bit naive to believe anyone would go into a presidency and not have some people that understand the establishment. That said, which office was it Reince Preibus held, hmmmm was it in Congress or the Senate. Maybe you can answer that.

Again, you can't get much more establishment than 30 years of ole Hillbilly. How much would you trust her to have your back in Benghazi? But, "what difference does it make, there are 4 dead Americans"?

On to Trumps taxes. So do you take advantage of tax deductions available to you? Silly question, no why would you - that would be hypocritical, now wouldn't it. Did he do anything illegal. Wasn't it the law that he and any other business uses? Even George Soros someone you probably admire. Additionally, isn't any good business going to limit/reduce any cost they would pay, even tax? Oh forgot, except for yours - you would find ways to pay more I suppose. Your argument there is naive.

Here's the real tale, again defend this;


62.8%: Labor Force Participation Has Hovered Near 37-Year low,
63.7 Homeownership rate lowest in 25 years
13 million more Americans have become dependent on food stamps, with the numbers now hitting a record 47 million — about a third more than when he was sworn in. In 2007, there were 26 million recipients,
Unemployment rate of over 10% (double that for blacks under Obama) Unemployment rate for black teens is 3X worse at 31.5%,
The poverty rate for blacks increased from 12 percent in 2008 to 16.1 percent,
Median income down 3.6 percent for white households and fell 10.9 percent for black households,
Obamacare is a mess with many insurance companies losing money and dropping participation in the program





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That you think Clinton is "my girl" is a good start to how much you and others have been listening. I viewed her in an only slightly brighter light than Trump. Neither were my candidates. Anyone that I would have liked, got done in in the primaries.

Do I think there needs to be change at the top? Yep. Is Trump the guy?

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But talk of "down with the establishment!" doesn't go very far when certain idiots keep electing the same "establishment" people into office over and over. Senators, Representatives, etc...
Did you vote back in the same people who have been in office for years, just because they have a big fat "R" next to their name? Or did you actually look at their bodies of work?

Me, I'm done with the Republican Party. And no, I'm not an "evil Democrat" either. I'm sick and tired of party bias, and the parties stonewalling each other on Capitol Hill just to spite our noses.

And had it been any other rich person not paying taxes like the common person, you would be up in arms about it.

Stop taking my posts for defending Clinton. Not once have I done so. But to think, even for a second that Trump is actually "anti-establishment", speaks to either blinding yourself to obvious truths, or not paying attention to what he has said and done for years.
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fromolwyoming wrote:
Poke-proud wrote:
McPeachy wrote:
WestWYOPoke wrote:
McPeachy wrote: Further, will the excuse of "cleaning up a previous administrations sh#t[#]" be afforded Trump & his cabinet, when looking at his scope of work, as to why he may / may not be effective in office (if that can even be measured any longer)? You know...he is following 8 years of Obama, he can't possibly fix "the mess" in 4 years, right? Oh my. LOL!
Unemployment at its lowest rate in decades, stock market at an all-time high, gasoline cheaper than it was for the last 10 years, no true ongoing wars (I.E. excessive numbers of troops on the ground), GDP growth significantly increased...yeah, he really burned this country to the ground.

And before you throw out the whole US debt argument, he didn't increase it (as a percentage) nearly as much as Bush 2 did.

In all seriousness, I am not a huge fan of Obamacare either, it doesn't affect me much, but there are others that it hurts, so if some changes can occur I'm all for it as I think everyone needs access to health insurance. I personally am of the mind that insurance companies should not be allowed to turn a profit.

And no, I am not a Democrat
That's what I am talking about. Great response, and post.

Although I would counter by saying right off the top of my head, that during the Obama tenure the USA also suffered through some of the highest gas prices ever on record.

I was not / am not a fan of either candidate (and can't believe a country of more than 300 million people had these 2 choices)...and although a republican, have voted democrat numerous times (especially when it came to some past Wyoming governors).
It's really not too difficult to figure out. We are tired of the establishment in Washington. Trump brings a refreshing change when he says he's going to drain the swamp. Whether he does remains to be seen, but personally Im tired of "Mr Smith going to Washington" and doing nothing. Here's a question, other than ego, why does Trump need the job - he makes more in a few weeks than what the job will pay, he doesn't need Air Force one - he has a jet, he has nice homes in many places so it isn't living in the White House, and he has access to many nice golf courses - he owns them. Could it be that he really believes he can make America great again!!!


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Your tired of the "establishment" and the guy you elected brings on some of the most establishment people in the GOP he can.
"Drain the swamp" when he''s helped fill it up. He's paid bribes, not paid anything in Federal Taxes in 20 years, businesses that he hired, he refused to pay them their dues and threatened to tie them up in court, and cost thousands of people their jobs. And that's not even getting into how he drove his (his father's) company into bankruptcy, 6 separate times.

As for your last part, that's actually pretty easy. It's to sell his brand. He's been doing that schtick since at least the 90s. This time, he just took it to politics. Commercials, guest appearances, The Apprentice, etc, was all to sell his brand. Even then, he could be doing it for what he perceives as a step up in power. And considering his background...

And already, he's backpedaling on several of the things people voted him in for. He's not gonna bury Obamacare, he's now iffy on prosecuting Clinton, and rather than unite people, he's brought in one of the most divisive people he could for his inner circle, short of David Duke himself.

So, yeah. There are plenty of issues with Trump, past and present. And that's not even touching on his surprise that minorities would feel threatened by the rhetoric he used since day 1.
Well put Fromolwyoming.

One other thing that just baffles me in this post election debate - poke-proud states he is tired of the establishment in Washington. I will simply ask him one question. Did you, poke-proud, vote for any incumbent in this election (either the house or senate race in the state you reside)? Because if you did, then you are just as responsible as anyone for the problem in Washington. I have no problem putting in a maverick like Trump in office, but I do have a problem with not giving him the tools to be successful. You want him to drain the swamp, yet so many of you voted the same scum that pollute the swamp back into office. Can any of you guys who voted based on that premise explain to me why you also voted to keep the status quo in DC?
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