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ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:14 pm I thought bsu game was OK. I'd be interested to know if last pass was a bad call or a safety shot the qb misread something. My hunch is the latter.

LanderPoke wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:42 am If we had even the passing game we had the first three years Bohl coached our team, we sucked btw, we would be conference champs this year . The passing attacks led by Kierkegaard and Coffman were way better than what we’ve had the last four years. It shouldn’t be too much to ask

ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:14 pm Competent passing game doesn't mean spread, run-n-gun, etc. It just means being able to field a two dimensional offense. Sick of the strawman argument.

Wicks wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:49 pm Craig Bohl is 14-39 versus teams with a winning record. That is a 25% winning percentage and is unacceptable. He has built good special teams, a good defense and a good running game. Yet, the lack of the running game that should be EASY when you run the ball as well as we do has cost us dearly. He "re-engineered" the offense once Vigen left but our passing numbers and points per game are all worse than they were before. If the passing game was important to Bohl this problem would have been fixed but he decided to hire an OC he worked with before at NDSU and was the OL coach at a school (Iowa) that has one of the few offenses as bad as ours.

okcwyocowboy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:14 pm Complimentary football. I'm as pissed as anyone about the QB and WR play, but many of you want to go back to a spread, hurry up, or run n gun offense. Well that sounds all fine and dandy if you want to lose games 56-46 instead of 20-17. We have a good defense and running game. The problem is the WR and QB spot. I like the TE Welch though. Peasley was just good enuf to win some games this year, Clemons should never see a D1 field. So back to complimentary football. The run game compliments the defense and let's them rest. Quick three and outs will kill a good defense. Run the ball, run the clock, get a capable WR or two and a capable QB and you have a winning recipe. Bohl is a damn good coach. Outside of his end of half clock management I like his style. I'm surprised this team has won 7 games, but truthfully this whole league is Sh#t this year. If we had Neyor and Williams and the rest of the transfer losses we would have finally won the MWC this year. The league is complete garbage and if we can't figure out the portal then it's over. The classic example of the complimentary football was TCU under Patterson. Helluva defense and running game. Then he goes to the big 12 and thinks he needs to change his offense to an up tempo offense. Well it works for a very short time and then the defense wears out because they are on the field twice as long and pretty soon the better players and teams are kicking your A$$ again... OU Texas etc... And Patterson gets fired. I knew when he changed his offense exactly what was going to happen and it did. So what we really need is just a better QB and WRS that can get open and catch the ball. If we change to up tempo spread we will suck again for a long time. But hey, atleast we will score more points!!!!

okcwyocowboy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:16 am Where your arguments fail is when we look at the facts. There are multiple teams who don't have a passing game ie... Air Force.... and they win games without even attempting a pass. So yes your argument fails. I could leave it there but I'll go further. Now the difference is, when we decide to pass we have some dumbass throwing the ball to the other team instead of throwing it away. Other argument fails... Comparing this year's TCu team with a new coach to the team I was talking about with Patterson=fail. but I knew someone would bring it up lol. Also complimentary football is where the offense runs the clock and let's the defense rest, because the defense is the strength of the team. It's how you shorten the game. We don't have the personnel to throw any passes. Clemons is Sh#t. Recruiting must be better, that's the bottom line. Play calling, strategy, and coaching is way above average. This team has no business in a bowl game, but here we are.

Itsux2beaewe wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:21 am

okcwyocowboy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:14 pm Complimentary football. I'm as pissed as anyone about the QB and WR play, but many of you want to go back to a spread, hurry up, or run n gun offense. Well that sounds all fine and dandy if you want to lose games 56-46 instead of 20-17. We have a good defense and running game. The problem is the WR and QB spot. I like the TE Welch though. Peasley was just good enuf to win some games this year, Clemons should never see a D1 field. So back to complimentary football. The run game compliments the defense and let's them rest. Quick three and outs will kill a good defense. Run the ball, run the clock, get a capable WR or two and a capable QB and you have a winning recipe. Bohl is a damn good coach. Outside of his end of half clock management I like his style. I'm surprised this team has won 7 games, but truthfully this whole league is Sh#t this year. If we had Neyor and Williams and the rest of the transfer losses we would have finally won the MWC this year. The league is complete garbage and if we can't figure out the portal then it's over. The classic example of the complimentary football was TCU under Patterson. Helluva defense and running game. Then he goes to the big 12 and thinks he needs to change his offense to an up tempo offense. Well it works for a very short time and then the defense wears out because they are on the field twice as long and pretty soon the better players and teams are kicking your A$$ again... OU Texas etc... And Patterson gets fired. I knew when he changed his offense exactly what was going to happen and it did. So what we really need is just a better QB and WRS that can get open and catch the ball. If we change to up tempo spread we will suck again for a long time. But hey, atleast we will score more points!!!!

What we have seen is exactly what you mentioned, run, run long pass punt. It has been keeping our D on the field for far too much time. We’ve complained for years the offense is too predictable and easy to defend. We’ve done far better in games when we came out with a different look.

okcwyocowboy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:34 am

Itsux2beaewe wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:21 am

What we have seen is exactly what you mentioned, run, run long pass punt. It has been keeping our D on the field for far too much time. We’ve complained for years the offense is too predictable and easy to defend. We’ve done far better in games when we came out with a different look.

I could argue that with this personnel we need to abandon the pass altogether. We had 6 passes not hit the ground, 3 to our players and 3 to Boise's. Without those three ints we beat Boise. I'd suggest run run run and then maybe run again on 4th and short. This team cannot pass so quit trying.

Itsux2beaewe wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:30 am

okcwyocowboy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:16 am Where your arguments fail is when we look at the facts. There are multiple teams who don't have a passing game ie... Air Force.... and they win games without even attempting a pass. So yes your argument fails. I could leave it there but I'll go further. Now the difference is, when we decide to pass we have some dumbass throwing the ball to the other team instead of throwing it away. Other argument fails... Comparing this year's TCu team with a new coach to the team I was talking about with Patterson=fail. but I knew someone would bring it up lol. Also complimentary football is where the offense runs the clock and let's the defense rest, because the defense is the strength of the team. It's how you shorten the game. We don't have the personnel to throw any passes. Clemons is Sh#t. Recruiting must be better, that's the bottom line. Play calling, strategy, and coaching is way above average. This team has no business in a bowl game, but here we are.

I have never seen a game where AFA hasn’t thrown a pass.

Below are their passing stats, which aren’t huge, but they can and do, have a passing game. They can kill you with a pass when not expected and the defense is sucked up protecting the run.

ATT-CMP-INT 77-36-2
AVG/ATT - 10.38
AVG/G - 72.64
TDS - 7
TOT - 799

okcwyocowboy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:27 pm

Itsux2beaewe wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:30 am

I have never seen a game where AFA hasn’t thrown a pass.

Below are their passing stats, which aren’t huge, but they can and do, have a passing game. They can kill you with a pass when not expected and the defense is sucked up protecting the run.

ATT-CMP-INT 77-36-2
AVG/ATT - 10.38
AVG/G - 72.64
TDS - 7
TOT - 799

They must be having a good passing year in their books. 46% completion. 72 yards per game. I've watched many games where air force throws and completes less than 5 passes a game AND WINS! Pretty sure they kicked our A$$ a couple years ago only completing a couple passes.