ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:40 pm
LKGates wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:11 pm
Wyokie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:59 pm
Actually...you're wrong. Blame Utah and BYU for that, not Wyoming. Wyoming was one of three schools that up for the last spot of a 6 team WAC to start play in 1962. Utah State and New Mexico State were the other two applicants for original membership. Due to recent, at the time, success for both NMSU AND USU, UNM and along with UU and BYU voted against them and approved Wyoming's membership.
Nice try, LKGates, but you went up against a historian.
I'm well aware of the history. Both my parents were Utah State Agricultural College alumni, class of 1941. Dad was the team physician for both football and basketball in the late 40s and early 50s. And history didn't stop in 1962. There were plenty of opportunities after that, which is why I said 30 years, and not 50. But the larger point is, I don't hold ancient history against Wyoming, but apparently some people can't get over past events.
And no one is addressing my other point. If religion isn't the issue, why call us BYU lite? Why not Utah junior? We have far more in common with the U of U than with BYU, unless that really isn't what bothers you.
At any rate, I seem to have worn out my welcome here. So, adios, amigos.
Not my board or place to say who should be here or not. I said it wouldn't come as a surprise to me if my school tried to [#]f##k over a conference and fans of that conference's teams didn't like my team. I also said I sure would'nt be trying to change those fans' minds or asking them to explain themselves on their own board.
I usually don't feel too compelled to explain myself in these situations, but since you are insinuating i'm a religious bigot, I guess I will in order to dispel that myth.
Daddy byu gave usu marching orders on the project, which if successful, would have screwed UW. Justify it however you want. If usu was successful, it would have hurt my team. Last I checked, the Utes didn't try to screw over the MWC like byu and byu lite. Secondly, when considering the fan bases of the 3 Utah schools, byu and usu fans more closely resemble each other than Ute fans. I'm sure you'll have 10k reasons why you're closer to Utes than the borg, but, to me you are byu's minnie me who worked together to try to destroy the MWC. The Utes didn't.
I frequently come to this board although I can’t recall ever posting here. Perhaps I’ll regret doing so now.
First, you seem to think that “The Project” was only a USU/BYU thing. The entire WAC signed off on it but the principles were Fresno St., BYU and USU. The events that precipitated “the project” were as follows (together with post-“project” events):
- Boise St. Joins the MWC in June 2010
- less than a week later Utah announces it is leaving for the PAC-12. BYU wants out, too, but has no where to go. BYU felt lied to by the MWC and Comcast in 2006 on rebroadcasting BYU sporting events that were not broadcast by the MWC. Utah’s departure was the straw that broke the camel’s back
- Fresno. St. and Utah St. approach BYU in July 2010 about “the project” which would bring BYU’s olympics sports to the WAC together with a scheduling agreement for football. The hope also is that BSU will return to the WAC
- “the project” is torpedoed by Hair when he invites Nevada and Fresno to the MWC (prior to that USU declined the invitation which was all the evidence Hair needed of the “plot”). Nevada and Fresno St. went back on their agreements and bolted to the MWC. By the end of August 2010 BYU would announce it would leave the MWC to the WCC anyway with its olympic sports and went independent in football. BSU continued with its move to the MWC and the remaining teams in the WAC were then left on life support.
- On November 29, 2010 TCU announces it will leave the MWC for the Big East Conference
- On December 7, 2011 San Diego St. and BSU announce they are leaving the MWC for the Big East Conference
- May 2, 2012 SJS and USU are invited to the MWC
- On December 31, 2012 BSU announces it will return to the MWC without ever competing in the Big East.
- On January 16, 2013 San Diego St. announces it will remain in the MWC
What is the takeaway from all this? All teams are in it for themselves. There is no loyalty, only survival.
You may want to temper your anger about the part USU played in “the project” and whether the object of that effort was to kill the MWC (it wasn’t) as you consider Wyoming’s lead roll in the airport meeting which created the MWC during the Spring of 1998 and left for dead the other 8 members of the WAC. Are plots only evil when you are not among the group of plotters?
I am very pleased that USU is in the same conference and division with CSU and Wyoming. The vast majority of Aggie fans feel the same way. Our history together goes back a long ways. I hope our relationship continues for years to come.