Re: Josh Allen Update
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:32 pm
It’s high comedy when bills fans complain about anything. especially when they are 5-1. They should just shut up and enjoy it. Sheesh
It is unbelievable. Allen continues to play lights out in the 4th QTR and has the Buffalo Bills at 5-1 and a good portion of their fan base wants to run Allen out of town.LanderPoke wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:32 pm It’s high comedy when bills fans complain about anything. especially when they are 5-1. They should just shut up and enjoy it. Sheesh
I mean, take a look at this board. We're 5-2 with 2 VERY winnable home games coming up, yet the complaining about the offense/Chambers/pass defense is overwhelming.LanderPoke wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:32 pm It’s high comedy when bills fans complain about anything. especially when they are 5-1. They should just shut up and enjoy it. Sheesh
Would you consider the passing game good? Is it complaining or discussing a weakness?WYO1016 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:36 pmI mean, take a look at this board. We're 5-2 with 2 VERY winnable home games coming up, yet the complaining about the offense/Chambers/pass defense is overwhelming.LanderPoke wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:32 pm It’s high comedy when bills fans complain about anything. especially when they are 5-1. They should just shut up and enjoy it. Sheesh
When the "Fire Vigen" thread gets new posts every week and play calling gets picked apart every week, yes, I would consider that complaining. My buddy and I were talking about the offense at the game this week. He put it very well when he said, "I'm done second guessing the offense. We're winning. It may be frustrating to watch, but we're winning."ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:39 pmWould you consider the passing game good? Is it complaining or discussing a weakness?WYO1016 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:36 pmI mean, take a look at this board. We're 5-2 with 2 VERY winnable home games coming up, yet the complaining about the offense/Chambers/pass defense is overwhelming.LanderPoke wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:32 pm It’s high comedy when bills fans complain about anything. especially when they are 5-1. They should just shut up and enjoy it. Sheesh
Is stating facts complaining?WYO1016 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:41 pmWhen the "Fire Vigen" thread gets new posts every week and play calling gets picked apart every week, yes, I would consider that complaining. My buddy and I were talking about the offense at the game this week. He put it very well when he said, "I'm done second guessing the offense. We're winning. It may be frustrating to watch, but we're winning."ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:39 pmWould you consider the passing game good? Is it complaining or discussing a weakness?WYO1016 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:36 pmI mean, take a look at this board. We're 5-2 with 2 VERY winnable home games coming up, yet the complaining about the offense/Chambers/pass defense is overwhelming.LanderPoke wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:32 pm It’s high comedy when bills fans complain about anything. especially when they are 5-1. They should just shut up and enjoy it. Sheesh
The point here is just shining a light on what LanderPoke said, but refocusing the light on our fanbase:
It’s high comedy when Wyoming fans complain about anything. especially when we are 5-2. We should just shut up and enjoy it.
It's more like there's no desire to develop a passing game, and any good receiver recruit is going to see this and stay away.ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:00 pm
The inability to develop a passing game (sub 100 ranked passing O most years) hinders offensive production
There's no hard line between complaining and discussing, but here are some good examples:ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:00 pm Is stating facts complaining?
The inability to develop a passing game (sub 100 ranked passing O most years) hinders offensive production which makes it difficult to beat average or better teams as demonstrated by 0 wins in 5 of 6 years against teams who finished in the top 75 (sagarin).
Just curious what you consider complaining vs. discussing?
Complaining307bball wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:46 pm I don't really think Bohl has answers for this passing game... At least no answers that will help the pokes this season. At this point, wishing we could pass the ball is merely that... Wishful thinking. I was watching the SDSU game with my brother and we were both surprised that we didn't get the stop at the end... And completely unsurprised that we couldn't get down the field and score to take back the lead.
Maybe Chambers progresses as a passer while he is here... I'm in the camp that he's not a great passer but he shouldn't need to be. If his WR's were turning a few of his bad passes into catches and not dropping his decent passes this offense would look worlds different. As I've said before... Love Conway's toughness but him and the rest of the WR's can be taken out of our passing game by average coverage teams. Nobody respects our passing game and throwing to the tight end more does not fix this.
LanderPoke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:35 pm Agree. What if Vigen is just a poop coach (and all signs point to him being such)? What have we got to lose? It’snot like we have a good offense anyway. It could hardly get worse! It’s mind blowing that we just keep rolling with the same thing year after year expecting better results. Bohl has got to realize things need to change
I think we all know that bonehead plays and bad throws are part of the Josh Allen experience. But so is winning and turning around your program/franchise. My guess is Bills fans wouldn't be trading Allen for Mayfield, Darnold or Rosen right now.ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:43 pm Allen has been really good in the 4th and in the red zone.
Definitely a few bonehead plays and bad throws but overall seems to be progressing well, imo.
They had a complete overhaul on offense. I think they are still learning to play together, which, imo, is why they play so much better in the 4th. By season's end I'll bet that offense is clicking much earlier in games.
Certain programs do seem to get talent at certain positions. Heck...Wyoming used to by "Wide Reciever U". Even when that was the case though...I don't think top WR were keen on coming here. How sweet would it be if high end Linemen and RB started to prioritize Wyoming?Adv8RU12 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:16 pmIt's more like there's no desire to develop a passing game, and any good receiver recruit is going to see this and stay away.ragtimejoe1 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:00 pm
The inability to develop a passing game (sub 100 ranked passing O most years) hinders offensive production
I look at the Bills reddit page and pretty much nothing but positives there.OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:33 amRead their message board. A LOT of negative. It is unreal when he has led them to a 5-1 record.
I fall into both camps...I see that the Allen detractors make some valid points. I see that the Bohl/Vigen/Chambers naysayers are not just making stuff up....and I even get into that camp at times. Ultimately the Bills and the Pokes are succeeding in terms of wins and losses (especially with respect to their recent history). I think that pointing out flaws is fine but if that is all we are doing ... I hope that people point out the silver linings. I'm as guilty of this as anybody.