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bladerunnr wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:15 pm

OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:23 pm

bladerunnr wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:05 pm If that's all he did, the charges are ridiculous. Here's a thought: Hey girls, if you don't want to get groped, don't sleep in the same bed as a male.

You have to be kidding me! Who knows the relationship between Granderson and the girls but you are saying that sleeping in the same bed as someone is automatically an invitation to be groped? Thats F******* ridiculous!

I can think of multiple times during college (and some thereafter) where I ended up sleeping in the same bed as some female that I wasn't in any sort of relationship with because the person(s) was merely being responsible and didn't want to drive home drunk and didn't want to sleep on the floor either. That didn't give any rights to grope the other person.

Another poster who really has no clue. Yes, that's what I'm saying. If you, (a college age female) sleeps in the same bed as a college age male, there's a very good chance his hands may wander during the night. What a surprise! It may have been an accident. What people do while they are unconscious or semi conscious is hardly predictable. What if one of them groped him? Do you think he would have pressed charges? Unlikely. Incredible waste of taxpayer money.

calpoke25 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:45 pm So if your daughter was the deed assaulted in some similar circumstance you would say “sorry honey, but you shouldn’t have dressed that way and gotten drunk and gone to that party and passed out in a college aged males bed. You had it coming. Let’s not ruin your assaulters life because you made a bad choice.” GTFOH with that.

I don’t know what Carl’s case is, let him have his due process. But poor judgement is not a crime. the deed assault is. You cannot equate the two. You cannot say we reduce the punishment of the criminal because the victim made a poor choice and put themselves in a vulnerable position.

If I walk down the street with a million dollars cash in my hand and I get robbed you can’t let the robber off because it’s “understandable” and I made a poor choice. That’s not how this works.

Vapoke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:43 am Who was the prosecuting attorney in the case? He/she made a deal with the defense counsel, but clearly left out the victims.

Vapoke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:54 pm Something doesn't feel right about the plea deal. I am not sure how the DA can come to a deal and then the judge reject it. Is there really that much lack of communication between the DA, Defense, and Judge? No way was this a secret prior to the proceedings.
I feel bad for the victims being strung through the court proceedings.

OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:36 pm

Vapoke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:54 pm Something doesn't feel right about the plea deal. I am not sure how the DA can come to a deal and then the judge reject it. Is there really that much lack of communication between the DA, Defense, and Judge? No way was this a secret prior to the proceedings.
I feel bad for the victims being strung through the court proceedings.

I'm not a criminal law expert, but the article does suggest that the victims were largely left out of the plea deal negotiation. I actually tend to believe that is appropriate to an extent because the victims aren't necessarily going to understand the legal/ethical hurdles the prosecution may face at trial. From a prosecution standpoint, the prosecution may have felt that it was going to be a difficult case to prove the felony beyond a reasonable doubt at trial (he said - she said is a tough case). From a defense standpoint, I don't think you can chance a trial with 2 persons' word against 1 person's word with a potentially lengthy sentence at stake.

I also feel very bad for the young victims (said to be freshmen). This is going to impact them for the rest of their lives and it will be very difficult (if not impossible) for them to continue their academic and athletic careers at the University of Wyoming. I do hope the University will step up and offer them proper support. It brings me to tears hearing how these 18-19 year old kids have been emotionally impacted regardless as to all of the facts.

That said - I also believe this probably effectively ends Granderson's NFL football career.

Vapoke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:45 pm

OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:36 pm

Vapoke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:54 pm Something doesn't feel right about the plea deal. I am not sure how the DA can come to a deal and then the judge reject it. Is there really that much lack of communication between the DA, Defense, and Judge? No way was this a secret prior to the proceedings.
I feel bad for the victims being strung through the court proceedings.

I'm not a criminal law expert, but the article does suggest that the victims were largely left out of the plea deal negotiation. I actually tend to believe that is appropriate to an extent because the victims aren't necessarily going to understand the legal/ethical hurdles the prosecution may face at trial. From a prosecution standpoint, the prosecution may have felt that it was going to be a difficult case to prove the felony beyond a reasonable doubt at trial (he said - she said is a tough case). From a defense standpoint, I don't think you can chance a trial with 2 persons' word against 1 person's word with a potentially lengthy sentence at stake.

I also feel very bad for the young victims (said to be freshmen). This is going to impact them for the rest of their lives and it will be very difficult (if not impossible) for them to continue their academic and athletic careers at the University of Wyoming. I do hope the University will step up and offer them proper support. It brings me to tears hearing how these 18-19 year old kids have been emotionally impacted regardless as to all of the facts.

That said - I also believe this probably effectively ends Granderson's NFL football career.

Well said Oredigger. Does Ms. Farley just go about her day now? Since the plea deal wasn't honored will the defense team challenge it?

cali2wyo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:06 pm I haven't been keeping up to date on this so sorry if this is a dumb question...
but wasn't Granderson's plea before today "not guilty"? So if the judge rejects the new plea then the original "not guilty" plea stands and it goes to the scheduled jury trial? It seems like there's a lot of disconnect between the prosecution and defense...

Vapoke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:33 pm His plea was from Not guilty to No contest

LanderPoke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:47 am Seems like the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Why so harsh?? I thought probation would be the max. Geez