Total Offense and Total Defense from Glenn to Bohl

[bullbugle307]

You're forgetting that much of the money invested in football in generated by... football. And Wyoming pours $$ into education. Spare me

Hopefully the taxpayers will remember what a financial powerhouse our football team is the next time they ask the state for 20 million dollars.

[OrediggerPoke]

Hopefully the taxpayers will remember what a financial powerhouse our football team is the next time they ask the state for 20 million dollars.

I haven't read your back and forth debate. But there couldn't possibly be any results to measure the success of the HAPC at this time. It literally opened up months ago and hasn't been in use for a full year nor has it been open for a full recruiting period.

[bullbugle307]

This is true. However, Ive said in another thread that I think this piss poor season and stupid coaching philosophy is probably negating much of the recruiting bump were supposed to be seeing in the next few years. But if you guys think that building is going to magically change the direction of our program well have to agree to disagree. And honestly, I hope I'm wrong. The money's spent. And we're locked in with Bohl with another 5 years. So he better get his poop together and deliver what he promised. The results of this season thus far should have us asking the hard questions, but most of you don't seem interested in doing that.

[ELKMT]

Gregg Brandon should be our head coach. He has a winning record as a head coach at the D1level at Bowling Green and has the Rocky Mountain ties. Not sure why he wasn’t considered after DC as there wouldn’t need to be an offensive transition and it would have kept Brett Smith another year. Pretty sure he could run a pro style offense UW would pay him, but he would want to throw the ball.

[OrediggerPoke]

Gregg Brandon should be our head coach. He has a winning record as a head coach at the D1level at Bowling Green and has the Rocky Mountain ties. Not sure why he wasn’t considered after DC as there wouldn’t need to be an offensive transition and it would have kept Brett Smith another year. Pretty sure he could run a pro style offense UW would pay him, but he would want to throw the ball.

I recall that you have been very consistent in your support for Brandon over the years. He has proven time and time again that his system works. I agree that he has the pedigree to be a successful HC at the D1 level again if he wanted to but I'm not sure that is really his desire anymore. I think he would be more likely to take a coordinator job at the D1 level.

Even more important to his Rocky Mountain ties are his Wyoming ties IMO. He really got his start thanks to Roach.

[ELKMT]

Brandon is a branch off the Roach and Urban Meyer tree. Not sure why he got fired at Bowling Green but he got them to two division titles and was 15 games over .500 at a D1 school. Also had Power five coordinator experience. Bohl would be smart to bring him in in some capacity if they could pay the man.

[hutchenc]

Simple fact is that Wyoming has traditionally been a .500 team or less with the occasional 8-5 record (which is pretty much it's ceiling and requires someone like JA to achieve). The stats posted by the OP bare that out. The Pokes had a few good seasons with JA, but I wouldn't expect that to repeat any time soon regardless of the coach. Wyo's cumulative record says what they are.

[coantag_creek_poke]

You guys fail to see the ass kickings we used to suffer when we were under Glenn and DC. At least with Bohl, we are going to be competitive every weekend and I always feel like we have a chance to win games.

[ELKMT]

Bohl’s teams play in a way weaker conference than Glenn or DC. It is such a bad conference that I think this team reaches bowl eligibility.

[coantag_creek_poke]

I don't dispute the strength of the conference arguement at all. There was a period of six or so years where there were multiple teams in the top 25 and sometimes in the top 10. However, Glenn and Christensen didn't compete with the middle of the road talent all that well either...

Glenn:
2003 - 8/8
2004 - 4/8
2005 - 8/9
2006 - 4/9
2007 - 7/9
2008 - 8/9

Overall Conference Record 15-31 & 1 Bowl Appearance (didn't appear in one his last 4 years)

Christensen:
2009 - 5/9
2010 - 8/9
2011 - 3/8
2012 - 6/10
2013 - 8/12

Overall Conference Record 16-23 & 1-1 in Bowl Games (didn't appear in one his last 2 years)

Bohl:
2014 - 11/12
2015 - 10/12
2016 - 2/12 (4 points from being conference champs)
2017 - 5/12

Overall conference record 15-21 & 1-1 in Bowl games (we have appeared in them in his last two years and possibly could this year as well)

The bottom line is this, the trajectory for Bohl is positive. His first two years were extremely ugly, but then his last two have been pretty solid. This year has been a bad year and we squandered one of the best defenses that will ever play at Wyoming. That is extremely unfortunate and it pisses me off as much as it pisses you off. Should someone be held accountable for the offense? Absolutely and that does start at the top. (Who knew replacing Josh Allen would be so tough ) But you cannot deny Bohl has had more success than than the previous 3 coaches.

You can't honestly say you think Christensen (clearly an awful coach as his career hasn't been exactly red hot) is better than Bohl? He did sooooo much less with soooo much more talent. And Glenn? He is a great coach... just not at the FBS level.

[WyomingAg]

Been looking through historical stats these last few weeks. Here are our total offense and total defense rankings at end of year for the past 15 years.

Glenn years:
2003 (117 FBS teams) - Total O: 82 (Cockhill), Total D: 102 (Breske), Record 4-8
2004 (117 FBS teams) - Total O: 62 (Cockhill), Total D: 67 (Breske), Record 7-5
2005 (117 FBS teams) - Total O: 65 (Cockhill), Total D: 61 (Breske), Record 4-7
2006 (119 FBS teams) - Total O: 91 (Cockhill), Total D: 9 (Breske), Record 6-6
2007 (119 FBS teams) - Total O: 106 (Cole), Total D: 22 (Breske), Record 5-7
2008 (119 FBS teams) - Total O: 108 (Cole), Total D: 38 (Breske), Record 4-8

Christensen years;
2009 (120 FBS teams) - Total O: 107 (Arroyo), Total D: 81 (English), Record 7-6
2010 (120 FBS teams) - Total O: 116 (Arroyo), Total D: 92 (English), Record 3-9
2011 (120 FBS teams) - Total O: 59 (Brandon), Total D: 98 (English), Record 8-5
2012 (120 FBS teams) - Total O: 70 (Brandon), Total D: 106 (Tormey), Record 5-7
2013 (123 FBS teams) - Total O: 22 (Kaligis/Harding), Total D: 111 (Tormey), Record 4-8

Bohl years:
2014 (125 FBS teams) - Total O: 81 (Vigen), Total D: 89 (Stanard), Record 5-7
2015 (127 FBS teams) - Total O: 100 (Vigen), Total D: 91 (Stanard), Record 2-10
2016 (128 FBS teams) - Total O: 48 (Vigen), Total D: 104 (Stanard), Record 8-6
2017 (129 FBS teams) - Total O: 125 (Vigen), Total D: 23 (Hazelton), Record 8-5
*2018 (129 FBS teams) - Total O: 126* (Vigen), Total D: 64* (Hazelton), Record 2-4

*2018 is through the first 6 games.

There are only 3 cases where one side of the ball was in the bottom 10 in the nation. Christensen's offense his 2nd year, and Bohl's offense both last year and this year. Lots of other bad years in there on one side or the other, but those 3 were the worst at least in total offense ranking.

The only consistency we have had was Glenn's 3 final years of defense all in the top 40. No other case of even 2 years in a row of one side of the ball in the top 40

After 8 games this year the Total D is now ranked 39, Total O is still 126

[calpoke25]

I don't dispute the strength of the conference arguement at all. There was a period of six or so years where there were multiple teams in the top 25 and sometimes in the top 10. However, Glenn and Christensen didn't compete with the middle of the road talent all that well either...

Glenn:
2003 - 8/8
2004 - 4/8
2005 - 8/9
2006 - 4/9
2007 - 7/9
2008 - 8/9

Overall Conference Record 15-31 & 1 Bowl Appearance (didn't appear in one his last 4 years)

Christensen:
2009 - 5/9
2010 - 8/9
2011 - 3/8
2012 - 6/10
2013 - 8/12

Overall Conference Record 16-23 & 1-1 in Bowl Games (didn't appear in one his last 2 years)

Bohl:
2014 - 11/12
2015 - 10/12
2016 - 2/12 (4 points from being conference champs)
2017 - 5/12

Overall conference record 15-21 & 1-1 in Bowl games (we have appeared in them in his last two years and possibly could this year as well)

The bottom line is this, the trajectory for Bohl is positive. His first two years were extremely ugly, but then his last two have been pretty solid. This year has been a bad year and we squandered one of the best defenses that will ever play at Wyoming. That is extremely unfortunate and it pisses me off as much as it pisses you off. Should someone be held accountable for the offense? Absolutely and that does start at the top. (Who knew replacing Josh Allen would be so tough ) But you cannot deny Bohl has had more success than than the previous 3 coaches.

You can't honestly say you think Christensen (clearly an awful coach as his career hasn't been exactly red hot) is better than Bohl? He did sooooo much less with soooo much more talent. And Glenn? He is a great coach... just not at the FBS level.

I go by records and other measurable like SOS. By any measureable metric Bohl has and overall record worse than Christensen at the same point in their careers, and I don’t really see Bohl making up any ground anytime soon, as we’re about to graduate a ton of defensive talent. The only arguments that can be made that Bohl is somehow much better than Christensen are subjective “eye tests” that aren’t borne out by any stats whatsoever. This not a defense of Christensen but I just can’t buy that Bohl is somehow much better than him despite having a worse record.

[Cornpoke]

I go by records and other measurable like SOS. By any measureable metric Bohl has and overall record worse than Christensen at the same point in their careers, and I don’t really see Bohl making up any ground anytime soon, as we’re about to graduate a ton of defensive talent. The only arguments that can be made that Bohl is somehow much better than Christensen are subjective “eye tests” that aren’t borne out by any stats whatsoever. This not a defense of Christensen but I just can’t buy that Bohl is somehow much better than him despite having a worse record.

You make a good point. I think the main reason people are overlooking Bohl's record is he is likable and his sustained success at NDSU. A guy like Christensen was just so unlikable to the point that he had to win to keep his job.

[WyomingAg]

Updated with our rankings at end of regular season for 2018:

Glenn years:
2003 (117 FBS teams) - Total O: 82 (Cockhill), Total D: 102 (Breske), Record 4-8
2004 (117 FBS teams) - Total O: 62 (Cockhill), Total D: 67 (Breske), Record 7-5
2005 (117 FBS teams) - Total O: 65 (Cockhill), Total D: 61 (Breske), Record 4-7
2006 (119 FBS teams) - Total O: 91 (Cockhill), Total D: 9 (Breske), Record 6-6
2007 (119 FBS teams) - Total O: 106 (Cole), Total D: 22 (Breske), Record 5-7
2008 (119 FBS teams) - Total O: 108 (Cole), Total D: 38 (Breske), Record 4-8

Christensen years;
2009 (120 FBS teams) - Total O: 107 (Arroyo), Total D: 81 (English), Record 7-6
2010 (120 FBS teams) - Total O: 116 (Arroyo), Total D: 92 (English), Record 3-9
2011 (120 FBS teams) - Total O: 59 (Brandon), Total D: 98 (English), Record 8-5
2012 (120 FBS teams) - Total O: 70 (Brandon), Total D: 106 (Tormey), Record 5-7
2013 (123 FBS teams) - Total O: 22 (Kaligis/Harding), Total D: 111 (Tormey), Record 4-8

Bohl years:
2014 (125 FBS teams) - Total O: 81 (Vigen), Total D: 89 (Stanard), Record 5-7
2015 (127 FBS teams) - Total O: 100 (Vigen), Total D: 91 (Stanard), Record 2-10
2016 (128 FBS teams) - Total O: 48 (Vigen), Total D: 104 (Stanard), Record 8-6
2017 (129 FBS teams) - Total O: 125 (Vigen), Total D: 23 (Hazelton), Record 8-5
2018 (129 FBS teams) - Total O: 118 (Vigen), Total D: 20 (Hazelton), Record 6-6

[WyomingAg]

Other end of regular season rankings for offense and defense out of 129 teams

Offense:
The Good-to-Average (ranked 50 or above):
- Turnovers Lost - 7
- Rushing Offense - 41

The Average-to-Bad (ranked 51 to 100):
- Sacks Allowed - 54
- Tackles for Loss Allowed - 59
- Time of Possession - 66
- Red Zone Offense - 86
- 3rd down conversion percentage - 91
- Passing Yards per Completion - 94

The Bad (ranked 101 to 129):
- Total Offense - 118
- First Downs Offense - 120
- Scoring Offense - 120
- 4th Down Conversion Percentage - 121
- Passing Offense - 124
- Pass Completion Percentage - 125
- Team Passing Efficiency - 125


Defense:
The Good-to-Average (ranked 50 or above):
- Total Defense - 20
- Rushing Defense - 29
- Passing Yards Allowed - 30
- Scoring Defense - 34
- Team Passing Efficiency Defense - 35
- First Downs Defense - 37

The Average-to-Bad (ranked 51 to 100):
- 3rd Down Conversion Percentage Defense - 72
- Team Tackles for Loss - 79
- Red Zone Defense - 91
- Turnovers Gained - 95

The Bad (ranked 101 to 129):
- Team Sacks - 107
- 4th Down Conversion Percentage Defense - 118

[Poke in New England]

Hazelton is the freaking man

[ELKMT]

Good coordinators make good teams. Hazelton was good where standard was not. Vigen is bad so replace him with ....

[LanderPoke]

Defense:
The Good-to-Average (ranked 50 or above):
- Total Defense - 20
- Rushing Defense - 29
- Passing Yards Allowed - 30
- Scoring Defense - 34
- Team Passing Efficiency Defense - 35
- First Downs Defense - 37

The Average-to-Bad (ranked 51 to 100):
- 3rd Down Conversion Percentage Defense - 72
- Team Tackles for Loss - 79
- Red Zone Defense - 91
- Turnovers Gained - 95

The Bad (ranked 101 to 129):
- Team Sacks - 107
- 4th Down Conversion Percentage Defense - 118

These are great metrics considering the lack of sacks (what was up with that?) and lack of TOs. We just strait up stopped people this year.

[fromolwyoming]

Barring NMSU, it took our defense, particularly our new starting CBs, a few games to work out the kinks before they came together. Once they did, they became really good.

But we will be losing a lot on that side of the ball. The d-line had a lot of rotation, so the guys coming in will have some experience. But at the Safety positions, those are going to be hard to replace. Epps and Dewey had a lot of leadership there.