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Senior Bowl Starts Josh Allen's Draft Journey
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That surprises me, and actually is a bad stat for Allen. Can't blame his receivers for his awful completion percentage then.PokeShadows wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:12 pm Thought this was telling too:
https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/ ... 2919936000
However, this makes me wonder how many of his pass attempts were throwaways compared to the others.
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He had what, 5 incompletions the whole game?Asmodeanreborn wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:15 pmThat surprises me, and actually is a bad stat for Allen. Can't blame his receivers for his awful completion percentage then.PokeShadows wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:12 pm Thought this was telling too:
https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/ ... 2919936000
However, this makes me wonder how many of his pass attempts were throwaways compared to the others.
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That percentage is dropped passes for the whole season - not the Senior Bowl game.
In other words, according to that stat, Josh had the lowest percentage of dropped passes of all the major QBs in the draft.
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2nd lowest, Sam Darnold was at 3.9%.Asmodeanreborn wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:27 pmThat percentage is dropped passes for the whole season - not the Senior Bowl game.
In other words, according to that stat, Josh had the lowest percentage of dropped passes of all the major QBs in the draft.
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Whoops, I went one step further and didn't include it in my post. What I intended to say was that Allen's completion percentage + dropped passes percentage was still the lowest, which surprised me because I thought once you added in dropped passes, Josh would be far closer to the others. Guess I might as well actually write it out. So thanks, and good catch.WestWYOPoke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:52 am2nd lowest, Sam Darnold was at 3.9%.Asmodeanreborn wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:27 pmThat percentage is dropped passes for the whole season - not the Senior Bowl game.
In other words, according to that stat, Josh had the lowest percentage of dropped passes of all the major QBs in the draft.
Completion percentages plus percentage of catchable dropped passes
Allen: 61.1%
Darnold: 67%
Jackson: 67.7%
Rosen: 70.3%
Rudolph: 71.3%
Mayfield: 77.6%
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I'd love to see the criteria to determine whether a pass was dropped or not. CJ Johnson dropped a higher percentage of Josh Allen's total throws on his own. I'm guessing someone determined that because Allen put too much mustard on the ball that the pass was not 'dropped' but was rather overthrown. That stat is just not believable based upon actually watching every game.PokeShadows wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:12 pm Thought this was telling too:
https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/ ... 2919936000
Someone should look at every throw and determine the percentage of the time that the receiver obtained enough separation to be determined to be 'open.' I'd bet that the Cowboys would be by far the worst out of any of the teams mentioned.
These STATS....only as good as the subjective opinion of those collecting the data and therefore not a measurable stat at all.
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No joke. I don't believe this "stat" for a second. There were multiple drops each game. and that comes out to way more than the miniscule number that they come up with. I just don't believe this stat, strait up.OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:13 amI'd love to see the criteria to determine whether a pass was dropped or not. CJ Johnson dropped a higher percentage of Josh Allen's total throws on his own. I'm guessing someone determined that because Allen put too much mustard on the ball that the pass was not 'dropped' but was rather overthrown. That stat is just not believable based upon actually watching every game.PokeShadows wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:12 pm Thought this was telling too:
https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/ ... 2919936000
Someone should look at every throw and determine the percentage of the time that the receiver obtained enough separation to be determined to be 'open.' I'd bet that the Cowboys would be by far the worst out of any of the teams mentioned.
These STATS....only as good as the subjective opinion of those collecting the data and therefore not a measurable stat at all.
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I never want to be the guy that sticks my head in the sand and ignores stats that go against my agenda, but I too have major questions about this statistic. Dropped passes were WAY too common among this receiving core this year — how many went off Johnson and Tyree Mayfield alone? Throw out Allen's number relative to the other qb's, maybe he's still at the bottom, but it has to be higher than four. Especially with how few attempts Josh had total this season. Your theory about counting passes "too hard" as uncatchable makes sense to me — if it hits a guy in the hands, it's a drop. Period.OrediggerPoke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:13 amI'd love to see the criteria to determine whether a pass was dropped or not. CJ Johnson dropped a higher percentage of Josh Allen's total throws on his own. I'm guessing someone determined that because Allen put too much mustard on the ball that the pass was not 'dropped' but was rather overthrown. That stat is just not believable based upon actually watching every game.PokeShadows wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:12 pm Thought this was telling too:
https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/ ... 2919936000
Someone should look at every throw and determine the percentage of the time that the receiver obtained enough separation to be determined to be 'open.' I'd bet that the Cowboys would be by far the worst out of any of the teams mentioned.
These STATS....only as good as the subjective opinion of those collecting the data and therefore not a measurable stat at all.
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I saw this too and I just can't buy it. I want to see the criteria they used to determine this. The amount of wide open dropped passes by UW was alarming. If Josh was actually the least likely to have a drop than damn those other teams should have sucked and lost WAY more games than the Pokes. I'd be interested in seeing a deep dive of those stats.PokeShadows wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:12 pm Thought this was telling too:
https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/ ... 2919936000
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That stat is wrong. I can remember watching the games, between drops and throw aways the stat is close to 10-12 %. But who actually sits down and does this... Who checks this stuff. Nobody. Fake news lol
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I'd say it's exactly the type of thing that stat nerds do. Just go to your average baseball game and look at how many people are keeping their own stats... it's insane!
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Confusing indeed, but it's a welcome development for those who want Josh far away from Cleveland. The Browns just brought in Scot McCloughan, on record as a huge Baker Mayfield guy, as a pre-draft consultant.
AJ McCarron just won his grievance to become an unrestriced free agent. I really hope Cleveland lands McCarron as a free agent. That would allow Josh to be a backup early in his career or go somewhere else that isn't a flaming pile of poop.