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bladerunnr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:43 pm

LanderPoke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:37 pm

McPeachy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:13 pm

LanderPoke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:02 pm

McPeachy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:51 pm

LanderPoke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:58 pmNot sure why. Kelly was the better of the two, imo.

You are letting your bias toward Jeremy cloud your vision of medicore basketball.

Kelly:
GP MIN PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FG% FT% 3P%
34 12.6 3.4 1.3 1.5 0.6 0.0 0.8 .392 .542 .385

Lieberman:
GP MIN PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FG% FT% 3P%
37 22.6 4.8 2.0 2.5 0.9 0.1 1.3 .418 .765 .293

It's a statistical wash, actually Kelly is better in almost everything on a per minute basis. Kelly is stronger and quicker and plays better d. Kelly was the second three point shooter on the team.

Stats only tell so much, and very little about defense and defensive stops. But I still wouldn't call it a statistical wash - even looking at the selective data you decided to share.

Either way, if coach Edwards looks to Kelly to primarily run the team from the point next year, we are in major f-word trouble. Major. f-word. Trouble. Like, give up my season tickets type trouble.

Selective in Lieb's favor, yes. Advanced stats would be even less favorable to Lieberman. The main reason I think Kelly is better is d. Lieberman was a seive that gave the illusion of being a good defender because he looked like he was trying super hard(he was trying super hard) guarding someone 3/4 of the court. When players wanted they got into the lane at will vs. Lieberman. I thought Kelly did a much better job of keeping players out of the paint - the main defensive job of a guard.

But, yes. Next year will look a lot like this year if we don't upgrade the point guard spot. And we just took a major step in the right direction today.

All one had to do was watch the 2 csewe games. We could never keep their guards out of the paint and ours could never get into it. Kelly is not a D1 starter. 5-10 minutes a game is the most he should get.

davidwyo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:05 pm Seriously, I told you players were going to leave the program and the first one just left. Why would any great player stick around in Laramie at this point???? Oh because this board was so high on the CBI (which we won) - our fan base sucks, our forums beat the poop out of players, our coach is bi-polar and will leave by the end of the 2018 or 19 season for greener pastures and if California players bust their asses to make it in Wyoming and are treated like poop by the coaches, how are we going to get more players from Cali to move to Wyoming? Oh your going to love the elevation, cows, horses and stadium that struggles to seat 2000 a game, sounds like a place where I would want my son to play bball. LPoke wants Kelly at the PG? What a joke. I like Kelly, he's tenacious, hearts in the right spot, but he's no D1 PG and would be crushed by Gonzaga, Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, NC, poop he can't even handle the MW. I wish Liemberman all the best, but I don't think Wyoming will break the top five in the MW next year and if we lose a few more seniors, we will SUCK next year. I was excited about a senior class with chemistry coming together next year and making a run, now, my prediction is coming true. Justin James, Hayden Dalton who else bolts for a better coach and program? not a good day in Poke Land.

davidwyo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:05 pm Seriously, I told you players were going to leave the program and the first one just left. Why would any great player stick around in Laramie at this point???? Oh because this board was so high on the CBI (which we won) - our fan base sucks, our forums beat the poop out of players, our coach is bi-polar and will leave by the end of the 2018 or 19 season for greener pastures and if California players bust their asses to make it in Wyoming and are treated like poop by the coaches, how are we going to get more players from Cali to move to Wyoming? Oh your going to love the elevation, cows, horses and stadium that struggles to seat 2000 a game, sounds like a place where I would want my son to play bball. LPoke wants Kelly at the PG? What a joke. I like Kelly, he's tenacious, hearts in the right spot, but he's no D1 PG and would be crushed by Gonzaga, Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, NC, poop he can't even handle the MW. I wish Liemberman all the best, but I don't think Wyoming will break the top five in the MW next year and if we lose a few more seniors, we will SUCK next year. I was excited about a senior class with chemistry coming together next year and making a run, now, my prediction is coming true. Justin James, Hayden Dalton who else bolts for a better coach and program? not a good day in Poke Land.

davidwyo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:05 pm Seriously, I told you players were going to leave the program and the first one just left. Why would any great player stick around in Laramie at this point???? Oh because this board was so high on the CBI (which we won) - our fan base sucks, our forums beat the poop out of players, our coach is bi-polar and will leave by the end of the 2018 or 19 season for greener pastures and if California players bust their asses to make it in Wyoming and are treated like poop by the coaches, how are we going to get more players from Cali to move to Wyoming? Oh your going to love the elevation, cows, horses and stadium that struggles to seat 2000 a game, sounds like a place where I would want my son to play bball. LPoke wants Kelly at the PG? What a joke. I like Kelly, he's tenacious, hearts in the right spot, but he's no D1 PG and would be crushed by Gonzaga, Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, NC, poop he can't even handle the MW. I wish Liemberman all the best, but I don't think Wyoming will break the top five in the MW next year and if we lose a few more seniors, we will SUCK next year. I was excited about a senior class with chemistry coming together next year and making a run, now, my prediction is coming true. Justin James, Hayden Dalton who else bolts for a better coach and program? not a good day in Poke Land.

NowherePoke wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:08 am

davidwyo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:05 pm Seriously, I told you players were going to leave the program and the first one just left. Why would any great player stick around in Laramie at this point???? Oh because this board was so high on the CBI (which we won) - our fan base sucks, our forums beat the poop out of players, our coach is bi-polar and will leave by the end of the 2018 or 19 season for greener pastures and if California players bust their asses to make it in Wyoming and are treated like poop by the coaches, how are we going to get more players from Cali to move to Wyoming? Oh your going to love the elevation, cows, horses and stadium that struggles to seat 2000 a game, sounds like a place where I would want my son to play bball. LPoke wants Kelly at the PG? What a joke. I like Kelly, he's tenacious, hearts in the right spot, but he's no D1 PG and would be crushed by Gonzaga, Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, NC, poop he can't even handle the MW. I wish Liemberman all the best, but I don't think Wyoming will break the top five in the MW next year and if we lose a few more seniors, we will SUCK next year. I was excited about a senior class with chemistry coming together next year and making a run, now, my prediction is coming true. Justin James, Hayden Dalton who else bolts for a better coach and program? not a good day in Poke Land.

None of that makes any sense.

davidwyo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:05 pm Seriously, I told you players were going to leave the program and the first one just left. Why would any great player stick around in Laramie at this point???? Oh because this board was so high on the CBI (which we won) - our fan base sucks, our forums beat the poop out of players, our coach is bi-polar and will leave by the end of the 2018 or 19 season for greener pastures and if California players bust their asses to make it in Wyoming and are treated like poop by the coaches, how are we going to get more players from Cali to move to Wyoming? Oh your going to love the elevation, cows, horses and stadium that struggles to seat 2000 a game, sounds like a place where I would want my son to play bball. LPoke wants Kelly at the PG? What a joke. I like Kelly, he's tenacious, hearts in the right spot, but he's no D1 PG and would be crushed by Gonzaga, Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, NC, poop he can't even handle the MW. I wish Liemberman all the best, but I don't think Wyoming will break the top five in the MW next year and if we lose a few more seniors, we will SUCK next year. I was excited about a senior class with chemistry coming together next year and making a run, now, my prediction is coming true. Justin James, Hayden Dalton who else bolts for a better coach and program? not a good day in Poke Land.

davidwyo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:05 pm Seriously, I told you players were going to leave the program and the first one just left. Why would any great player stick around in Laramie at this point???? Oh because this board was so high on the CBI (which we won) - our fan base sucks, our forums beat the poop out of players, our coach is bi-polar and will leave by the end of the 2018 or 19 season for greener pastures and if California players bust their asses to make it in Wyoming and are treated like poop by the coaches, how are we going to get more players from Cali to move to Wyoming? Oh your going to love the elevation, cows, horses and stadium that struggles to seat 2000 a game, sounds like a place where I would want my son to play bball. LPoke wants Kelly at the PG? What a joke. I like Kelly, he's tenacious, hearts in the right spot, but he's no D1 PG and would be crushed by Gonzaga, Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, NC, poop he can't even handle the MW. I wish Liemberman all the best, but I don't think Wyoming will break the top five in the MW next year and if we lose a few more seniors, we will SUCK next year. I was excited about a senior class with chemistry coming together next year and making a run, now, my prediction is coming true. Justin James, Hayden Dalton who else bolts for a better coach and program? not a good day in Poke Land.

davidwyo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:05 pm Seriously, I told you players were going to leave the program and the first one just left. Why would any great player stick around in Laramie at this point???? Oh because this board was so high on the CBI (which we won) - our fan base sucks, our forums beat the poop out of players, our coach is bi-polar and will leave by the end of the 2018 or 19 season for greener pastures and if California players bust their asses to make it in Wyoming and are treated like poop by the coaches, how are we going to get more players from Cali to move to Wyoming? Oh your going to love the elevation, cows, horses and stadium that struggles to seat 2000 a game, sounds like a place where I would want my son to play bball. LPoke wants Kelly at the PG? What a joke. I like Kelly, he's tenacious, hearts in the right spot, but he's no D1 PG and would be crushed by Gonzaga, Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, NC, poop he can't even handle the MW. I wish Liemberman all the best, but I don't think Wyoming will break the top five in the MW next year and if we lose a few more seniors, we will SUCK next year. I was excited about a senior class with chemistry coming together next year and making a run, now, my prediction is coming true. Justin James, Hayden Dalton who else bolts for a better coach and program? not a good day in Poke Land.

Adv8RU12 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:25 am About Gorski - He can be a great shooter, but poor defender. So what's the solution? He goes in when the opposition puts in their slowest player and Gorski guards him (when man-to-man defense is in order) and in the meantime drains a few 3's. Might not be the situation very often, but that could be his role.

seattlecowboy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:27 am Wish Liebs the best of Luck in his future and appreciate his contribution to the team.

My guess is that the open scholarship is going to go to either Redding, Hunter Thopson or Kelley. Redding is a walk on also. So we have 3 players Edwards can give the scholarship to. Not saying anyone of them deserves it or doesn't deserve it but that is probably what will happen rather than Edwards bringing anyone else in. Or maybe he will surprise us and use it on someone else but I doubt it.